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	==Aspects of the relationships==		==Aspects of the relationships==
	Although homosexual relations were common among the predominantly Muslim population, such relationships have been reported even among Christians, for whom there was also a special ceremony performed by a priest in church to seal the union, called vellameria (Albanian vella, "brother" and marr, "to accept"). Jealousy was a frequent occurrence, and sometimes men committed murder because of a boy. <ref>Havelock Ellis, Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Sexual Inversion, Ch.I</ref>		Although homosexual relations were common among the predominantly Muslim population, such relationships have been reported even among Christians, for whom there was also a special ceremony performed by a priest in church to seal the union, called [[vellameria]] (Albanian vella, "brother" and marr, "to accept"). Jealousy was a frequent occurrence, and sometimes men committed murder because of a boy. <ref>Havelock Ellis, Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Sexual Inversion, Ch.I</ref>

	According Naecke: "Albanians in the north have a love of all boys and are excited to spend time with beautiful young men. Their passion and their jealousy is so strong that even today sometimes there are cases of suicide ... In addition, it is true that when are couples are blessed by the priests - the two partners who share the Eucharist immediately after "<ref>Edward Carpenter, Intermediate Types among the Primitive Folk p.127</ref>.		According Naecke: "Albanians in the north have a love of all boys and are excited to spend time with beautiful young men. Their passion and their jealousy is so strong that even today sometimes there are cases of suicide ... In addition, it is true that when are couples are blessed by the priests - the two partners who share the Eucharist immediately after "<ref>Edward Carpenter, Intermediate Types among the Primitive Folk p.127</ref>.

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	'''Albanian pederasty''' was a practice reported by many Western travelers in the nineteenth century <ref>Bethe, Rheinisches Museum für Philologie, 1907, p. 475</ref> <ref>Näcke, Jahrbuch für sexuelle Zwischenstufen, vol. ix, 1908, p. 327</ref> including Edvard Westermarck <ref>Robert Deam Tobin, Warm Brothers: Queer Theory and the Age of Goethe (New Cultural Studies Series) p.58</ref>, John Cam Hobhouse, who in his diary <ref name="John Cam Hobhouse"> The Diary of John Cam Hobhouse (October 20th, 1809)</ref>, indicates that [[pederasty]] was " openly practiced, "and Johann Georg von Hahn <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn">J.G. von Hahn, Albanische Studien, 1854, p.166</ref>, also known as" the father of Albanian studies. "<ref> Robert Elsie, A Dictionary of Albanian Religion, Mythology, and Folk Culture p.202-3</ref> According to these reports pederasty was common and it was socially accepted that young people between sixteen and twenty-four years seduce boys of twelve to seventeen. <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn" />		'''Albanian pederasty''' was a practice reported by many Western travelers in the nineteenth century <ref>Bethe, Rheinisches Museum für Philologie, 1907, p. 475</ref> <ref>Näcke, Jahrbuch für sexuelle Zwischenstufen, vol. ix, 1908, p. 327</ref> including Edvard Westermarck <ref>Robert Deam Tobin, Warm Brothers: Queer Theory and the Age of Goethe (New Cultural Studies Series) p.58</ref>, John Cam Hobhouse, who in his diary <ref name="John Cam Hobhouse"> The Diary of John Cam Hobhouse (October 20th, 1809)</ref>, indicates that [[pederasty]] was " openly practiced, "and Johann Georg von Hahn <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn">J.G. von Hahn, Albanische Studien, 1854, p.166</ref>, also known as" the father of Albanian studies. "<ref> Robert Elsie, A Dictionary of Albanian Religion, Mythology, and Folk Culture p.202-3</ref> According to these reports pederasty was common and it was socially accepted that young people between sixteen and twenty-four years seduce boys of twelve to seventeen. <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn" />

	In literature, the older lover is called Ashik (from the Arabic ishq, "passionate love") and the beloved, dyllber (from turkish Dilber, "beautiful") <ref>http://www.eskimo.com/~nickz/orth_gay.txt</ref>. A Gheg married at the age of 24 or 25 years, and then usually but not always, gave up the love with the boys.		In literature, the older lover is called Ashik (from the Arabic ishq, "passionate love") and the beloved, dyllber (from turkish Dilber, "beautiful") <ref>http://www.eskimo.com/~nickz/orth_gay.txt</ref>. A Gheg married at the age of 24 or 25 years, and then usually but not always, gave up the love with the boys. Ghegs are one of two major ethnic subgroups of Albanians, the other being the Tosks.<ref name="Eberhardt2003">{{cite book\|author=Piotr Eberhardt\|title=Ethnic Groups and Population Changes in Twentieth-century Central-Eastern Europe: History, Data, and Analysis\|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jLfX1q3kJzgC&pg=PA433\|accessdate=13 July 2013\|date=January 2003\|publisher=M.E. Sharpe\|isbn=978-0-7656-1833-7\|page=433\|quote=The Albanians comprise two ethnic subgroups: the Ghegs, who generally occupy the area north of the Shkumbin river; and the Tosks, most of whom live south of the river.}}</ref>

	The practice was limited with the advent of communism in 1944. <ref>Michael Worton, Nana Wilson-Tagoe National Healths: Gender, Sexuality and Health in a Cross-Cultural Context p.48-50</ref>		The practice was limited with the advent of communism in 1944. <ref>Michael Worton, Nana Wilson-Tagoe National Healths: Gender, Sexuality and Health in a Cross-Cultural Context p.48-50</ref>

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	==Aspects of the relationships==		==Aspects of the relationships==
	Although homosexual relations were common among the predominantly Muslim population, have been reported even among Christians, for whom there was also a special ceremony performed by a priest in church to seal the union, called vellameria (Albanian vella, "brother" and marr, "to accept"). Jealousy was a frequent occurrence, and sometimes men committed murder because of a boy. <ref>Havelock Ellis, Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Sexual Inversion, Ch.I</ref>		Although homosexual relations were common among the predominantly Muslim population, such relationships have been reported even among Christians, for whom there was also a special ceremony performed by a priest in church to seal the union, called vellameria (Albanian vella, "brother" and marr, "to accept"). Jealousy was a frequent occurrence, and sometimes men committed murder because of a boy. <ref>Havelock Ellis, Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Sexual Inversion, Ch.I</ref>

	According Naecke: "Albanians in the north have a love of all boys and are excited to spend time with beautiful young men. Their passion and their jealousy is so strong that even today sometimes there are cases of suicide ... In addition, it is true that when are couples are blessed by the priests - the two partners who share the Eucharist immediately after "<ref>Edward Carpenter, Intermediate Types among the Primitive Folk p.127</ref>.		According Naecke: "Albanians in the north have a love of all boys and are excited to spend time with beautiful young men. Their passion and their jealousy is so strong that even today sometimes there are cases of suicide ... In addition, it is true that when are couples are blessed by the priests - the two partners who share the Eucharist immediately after "<ref>Edward Carpenter, Intermediate Types among the Primitive Folk p.127</ref>.

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	Hahn ~~documents~~ a number of Gheg pederastic poems, written by one poet, such as the following:		Hahn documented a number of Gheg, the Albanian language spoken in Northern Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and southern Serbia, pederastic poems, written by one poet, such as the following:
	<poem>		<poem>
	''S'gjen ndonji zok qi kendon,		''S'gjen ndonji zok qi kendon,

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	Some Western observers signaled the practice with a negative light. François Pouqueville, the consul general of Napoleon in Albania between 1805 and 1815, the Albanians accused of being "no less profligate in this regard that the other inhabitants of modern Greece, without any apparent idea of the enormity of the crime." <ref>Murray, op.cit.</ref>		Some Western observers signaled the practice with a negative light. François Pouqueville, the consul general of Napoleon in Albania between 1805 and 1815, the Albanians accused of being "no less profligate in this regard that the other inhabitants of modern Greece, without any apparent idea of the enormity of the crime." <ref>Murray, op.cit.</ref>

	Others present it as ~~overwhelmingly~~ positive, ~~particularly~~ in light of ~~European~~ cultural values ~~of~~ the educated ~~public~~ of the period, which was intended ~~for publication~~.		Others present it as surprisingly positive, especially in light of the cultural values of the educated European audience of the period, for which the publication was intended. The following passage is reported by Hahn as the actual language used to him by a Geg Albanian:

	Hahn ~~documents~~ a ~~number of poems homosexual Ghega, such as~~:

	The lover's feeling for the boy is pure as sunshine. It places the beloved on the same pedestal as a saint. It is the highest and most exalted passion of which the human breast is capable. The sight of a beautiful youth awakens astonishment in the lover, and opens the door of his heart to the delight which the contemplation of this loveliness affords. Love takes possession of him so completely that all his thought and feeling goes out in it. If he finds himself in the presence of the beloved, he rests absorbed in gazing on him. Absent, he thinks of nought but him. If the beloved unexpectedly appears, he falls into confusion, changes color, turns alternately pale and red. His heart beats faster and impedes his breathing. He has ears and eyes only for the beloved. He shuns touching him with the hand, kisses him only on the forehead, sings his praise in verse, a woman's never.		The lover's feeling for the boy is pure as sunshine. It places the beloved on the same pedestal as a saint. It is the highest and most exalted passion of which the human breast is capable. The sight of a beautiful youth awakens astonishment in the lover, and opens the door of his heart to the delight which the contemplation of this loveliness affords. Love takes possession of him so completely that all his thought and feeling goes out in it. If he finds himself in the presence of the beloved, he rests absorbed in gazing on him. Absent, he thinks of nought but him. If the beloved unexpectedly appears, he falls into confusion, changes color, turns alternately pale and red. His heart beats faster and impedes his breathing. He has ears and eyes only for the beloved. He shuns touching him with the hand, kisses him only on the forehead, sings his praise in verse, a woman's never.

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	Hahn documents a number of poems homosexual Ghega, such as:		Hahn documents a number of poems homosexual Ghega, such as:

	S'~~gjen ndonji ZOK qi Kendon, you gjithe jane~~ and ~~little qajne~~. The ~~Duron mjeri Ashik knows little fort~~, and ~~some Prejano dyllberit dajne~~. ~~Dilli, qi len mengjes~~ it ~~is you~~, ~~or Djali~~, ~~kur Kur me I zallandise kthen SYT 'and SEZ' Shpirt ment Prejano Kres' I gremise~~. ~~You will not find any bird that sings~~, ~~They all sit~~ and ~~weep alone~~. ~~The poor lover, how strongly resists, [because] it is separated from~~ his beloved. ~~When~~ the ~~sun rises in~~ the ~~morning~~, ~~is like you~~, ~~boy, when you~~'~~re near me. When your dark eye rests on me, It leaves the reason of my head~~.		The lover's feeling for the boy is pure as sunshine. It places the beloved on the same pedestal as a saint. It is the highest and most exalted passion of which the human breast is capable. The sight of a beautiful youth awakens astonishment in the lover, and opens the door of his heart to the delight which the contemplation of this loveliness affords. Love takes possession of him so completely that all his thought and feeling goes out in it. If he finds himself in the presence of the beloved, he rests absorbed in gazing on him. Absent, he thinks of nought but him. If the beloved unexpectedly appears, he falls into confusion, changes color, turns alternately pale and red. His heart beats faster and impedes his breathing. He has ears and eyes only for the beloved. He shuns touching him with the hand, kisses him only on the forehead, sings his praise in verse, a woman's never.

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
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	'''Albanian pederasty''' was a practice reported by many Western travelers in the nineteenth century <ref>Bethe, Rheinisches Museum für Philologie, 1907, p. 475</ref> <ref>Näcke, Jahrbuch für sexuelle Zwischenstufen, vol. ix, 1908, p. 327</ref> including Edvard Westermarck <ref>Robert Deam Tobin, Warm Brothers: Queer Theory and the Age of Goethe (New Cultural Studies Series) p.58</ref>, John Cam Hobhouse, who in his diary <ref name="John Cam Hobhouse"> The Diary of John Cam Hobhouse (October 20th, 1809)</ref>, indicates that [[pederasty]] was " openly practiced, "and Johann Georg von Hahn <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn">J.G. von Hahn, Albanische Studien, 1854, p.166</ref>, also known as" the father of Albanian studies. "<ref> Robert Elsie, A Dictionary of Albanian Religion, Mythology, and Folk Culture p.202-3</ref> According to these reports was ~~comunente~~ and socially accepted that young people between sixteen and twenty-four years seduce boys of twelve to seventeen. <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn" />		'''Albanian pederasty''' was a practice reported by many Western travelers in the nineteenth century <ref>Bethe, Rheinisches Museum für Philologie, 1907, p. 475</ref> <ref>Näcke, Jahrbuch für sexuelle Zwischenstufen, vol. ix, 1908, p. 327</ref> including Edvard Westermarck <ref>Robert Deam Tobin, Warm Brothers: Queer Theory and the Age of Goethe (New Cultural Studies Series) p.58</ref>, John Cam Hobhouse, who in his diary <ref name="John Cam Hobhouse"> The Diary of John Cam Hobhouse (October 20th, 1809)</ref>, indicates that [[pederasty]] was " openly practiced, "and Johann Georg von Hahn <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn">J.G. von Hahn, Albanische Studien, 1854, p.166</ref>, also known as" the father of Albanian studies. "<ref> Robert Elsie, A Dictionary of Albanian Religion, Mythology, and Folk Culture p.202-3</ref> According to these reports pederasty was common and it was socially accepted that young people between sixteen and twenty-four years seduce boys of twelve to seventeen. <ref Name="J.G. von Hahn" />

	In literature, the older lover is called Ashik (from the Arabic ishq, "passionate love") and the beloved, dyllber (from turkish Dilber, "beautiful") <ref>http://www.eskimo.com/~nickz/orth_gay.txt</ref>. A Gheg married at the age of 24 or 25 years, and then usually but not always, gave up the love with the boys.		In literature, the older lover is called Ashik (from the Arabic ishq, "passionate love") and the beloved, dyllber (from turkish Dilber, "beautiful") <ref>http://www.eskimo.com/~nickz/orth_gay.txt</ref>. A Gheg married at the age of 24 or 25 years, and then usually but not always, gave up the love with the boys.
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	==Aspects of the relationships==		==Aspects of the relationships==
	Although homosexual relations were common among the predominantly Muslim, have been reported even among Christians, for whom there was also a special ceremony performed by a priest in church to seal the union, called vellameria (Albanian vella, "brother" and marr, "to accept"). Jealousy was a frequent occurrence, and sometimes men ~~arrived to commit~~ murder because of a boy. <ref>Havelock Ellis, Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Sexual Inversion, Ch.I</ref>		Although homosexual relations were common among the predominantly Muslim population, have been reported even among Christians, for whom there was also a special ceremony performed by a priest in church to seal the union, called vellameria (Albanian vella, "brother" and marr, "to accept"). Jealousy was a frequent occurrence, and sometimes men committed murder because of a boy. <ref>Havelock Ellis, Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Sexual Inversion, Ch.I</ref>

	According Naecke: "Albanians in the north have a love of all excited to spend time with beautiful young men. Their passion and their jealousy is so strong that even today sometimes there are cases of suicide ... In addition, it is true that when are ~~held union-fellowship they~~ are blessed by the priests - the two partners who share the Eucharist immediately after "<ref>Edward Carpenter, Intermediate Types among the Primitive Folk p.127</ref>.		According Naecke: "Albanians in the north have a love of all boys and are excited to spend time with beautiful young men. Their passion and their jealousy is so strong that even today sometimes there are cases of suicide ... In addition, it is true that when are couples are blessed by the priests - the two partners who share the Eucharist immediately after "<ref>Edward Carpenter, Intermediate Types among the Primitive Folk p.127</ref>.

	Travelers who visited the country, including the French historian François Guillaume Frederick (Baron de Vaudoncourt) and George Gordon (Lord Byron) also mention of Ali Pasha ~~of interest for~~ this kind of love, describing his harem of beautiful young , which drew not only ~~her~~ lovers, but even his most trusted associates, like the greek Athanase Vaya, who became his right arm as well as a general <ref> Stephen O. Murray and Will Roscoe, Islamic Homosexualities, p.189-191</ref>.		Travelers who visited the country, including the French historian François Guillaume Frederick (Baron de Vaudoncourt) and George Gordon (Lord Byron). There is also mention of Ali Pasha being interested in this kind of love, describing his harem of beautiful young boys, which drew not only lovers, but even his most trusted associates, like the greek Athanase Vaya, who became his right arm as well as a general <ref> Stephen O. Murray and Will Roscoe, Islamic Homosexualities, p.189-191</ref>.

	==Poetic and literary references==		==Poetic and literary references==
	Some Western observers ~~signaled~~ the practice ~~with~~ a negative light. François Pouqueville, the consul general of Napoleon in Albania between 1805 and 1815, the Albanians accused of being "no less profligate in this regard that the other inhabitants of modern Greece, without any apparent idea of the enormity of the crime." <ref>Murray, op.cit.</ref>		Some Western observers reported the practice in a negative light. François Pouqueville, the consul general of Napoleon in Albania between 1805 and 1815, dtated than the Albanians accused of being "no less profligate in this regard that the other inhabitants of modern Greece, without any apparent idea of the enormity of the crime." <ref>Murray, op.cit.</ref>

	Others ~~present~~ it as surprisingly positive, especially in light of the cultural values of the educated European audience of the period, for which the publication was intended. The following passage is reported by Hahn as the actual language used to him by a ~~Geg~~ Albanian:		Others presented it as surprisingly positive, especially in light of the cultural values of the educated European audience of the period, for which the publication was intended. The following passage is reported by Hahn as the actual language used to him by a Gheg Albanian:

	The lover's feeling for the boy is pure as sunshine. It places the beloved on the same pedestal as a saint. It is the highest and most exalted passion of which the human breast is capable. The sight of a beautiful youth awakens astonishment in the lover, and opens the door of his heart to the delight which the contemplation of this loveliness affords. Love takes possession of him so completely that all his thought and feeling goes out in it. If he finds himself in the presence of the beloved, he rests absorbed in gazing on him. Absent, he thinks of nought but him. If the beloved unexpectedly appears, he falls into confusion, changes color, turns alternately pale and red. His heart beats faster and impedes his breathing. He has ears and eyes only for the beloved. He shuns touching him with the hand, kisses him only on the forehead, sings his praise in verse, a woman's never.		The lover's feeling for the boy is pure as sunshine. It places the beloved on the same pedestal as a saint. It is the highest and most exalted passion of which the human breast is capable. The sight of a beautiful youth awakens astonishment in the lover, and opens the door of his heart to the delight which the contemplation of this loveliness affords. Love takes possession of him so completely that all his thought and feeling goes out in it. If he finds himself in the presence of the beloved, he rests absorbed in gazing on him. Absent, he thinks of nought but him. If the beloved unexpectedly appears, he falls into confusion, changes color, turns alternately pale and red. His heart beats faster and impedes his breathing. He has ears and eyes only for the beloved. He shuns touching him with the hand, kisses him only on the forehead, sings his praise in verse, a woman's never.
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	Hahn documents a number of ~~Geg~~ pederastic poems, written by one poet, such as the following:		Hahn documents a number of Gheg pederastic poems, written by one poet, such as the following:
	<poem>		<poem>
	''S'gjen ndonji zok qi kendon,		''S'gjen ndonji zok qi kendon,
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	===Pashalik of Ioannina===		===Pashalik of Ioannina===

	According to historians the harem of the Muslim Albanian leader of Ioannina, Ali Pasha (during [[Ottoman]] rule), consisted of some hundreds of young girls and good looking boys <ref>Pyrrhus Ruches. Albanian historical folksongs, 1716-1943: a survey of oral epic poetry from southern Albania, with original texts. Argonaut, 1967 p. 19</ref>. A local south Albanian folk song ~~mentions~~:		According to historians the harem of the Muslim Albanian leader of Ioannina, Ali Pasha (during [[Ottoman]] rule), consisted of some hundreds of young girls and good looking boys <ref>Pyrrhus Ruches. Albanian historical folksongs, 1716-1943: a survey of oral epic poetry from southern Albania, with original texts. Argonaut, 1967 p. 19</ref>. A local south Albanian folk song records:
	<poem>		<poem>
	<div style="-moz-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:110%">		<div style="-moz-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:110%">