BoyWiki:Agora/19 November 2015 - Revision history

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 :::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc|18|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 ::::::::::I appreciate learning about that distinction coming from Justice Brandeis, nevertheless, the considertaion obviously needs to take into account that what this wiki largely deals with is a [[Harris Mirkin|Phase 1 Topic]], which means that constitutional protection doesn't really apply. Anyway, are the serves for this website in the US? I kinda thought it was in Canada. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 16:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Meco: /* BoyWiki for boys? */ Attempt to reboot the discussion

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 :::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc|18|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 ::::::::::I appreciate learning about that distinction coming from Justice Brandeis, nevertheless, the considertaion obviously needs to take into account that what this wiki largely deals with is a [[Harris Mirkin|Phase 1 Topic]], which means that constitutional protection doesn't really apply. Anyway, are the serves for this website in the US? I kinda thought it was in Canada. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 16:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Etenne at 13:53, 26 November 2015

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	:::Think practical, usability, findability… __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 19:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::Think practical, usability, findability… __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 19:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::"Palaestra" implies more than one person is involved; playing in a sandbox can be solitary. However, "sandbox" also has LBL (as opposed to TBL) connotations. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::"Palaestra" implies more than one person is involved; playing in a sandbox can be solitary. However, "sandbox" also has LBL (as opposed to TBL) connotations. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Meco: /* Agora/19 November 2015 */

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Agora/19 November 2015

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	::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc\|18\|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc\|18\|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::I appreciate learning about that distinction coming from Justice Brandeis, nevertheless, the considertaion ~~eeds~~ to take into account that what this wiki largely deals with is a [[Harris Mirkin\|Phase 1 Topic]], which means that constitutional protection doesn't really apply. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 16:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::::I appreciate learning about that distinction coming from Justice Brandeis, nevertheless, the considertaion obviously needs to take into account that what this wiki largely deals with is a [[Harris Mirkin\|Phase 1 Topic]], which means that constitutional protection doesn't really apply. Anyway, are the serves for this website in the US? I kinda thought it was in Canada. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 16:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Meco: /* BoyWiki for boys? */ me

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BoyWiki for boys?: me

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	::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc\|18\|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc\|18\|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
			::::::::::I appreciate learning about that distinction coming from Justice Brandeis, nevertheless, the considertaion eeds to take into account that what this wiki largely deals with is a [[Harris Mirkin\|Phase 1 Topic]], which means that constitutional protection doesn't really apply. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 16:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Lysander at 23:09, 19 November 2015

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	:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." We have a constitutional right to communicate our views and information to children. We just don't have a right to be a wiki that "knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so". {{usc\|18\|2242}}. I wonder where one exactly draws that line. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Lysander: /* BoyWiki for boys? */

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BoyWiki for boys?

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	:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
			:::::::::Have there ever been any cases of a website being taken down for such a reason? I'm thinking it would fail the clear and present danger test. As Justice Brandeis put it, "The wide difference between advocacy and incitement, between preparation and attempt, between assembling and conspiracy, must be borne in mind." [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 23:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hikari: /* BoyWiki for boys? */

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BoyWiki for boys?

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	::::::I like the idea of an integrated portal, and a simple wiki. The only thing is how different would the simple wiki be. I feel some of the more 'explicit' articles shouldn't be put into simple language, as that might cause suspicion/be threatening to this site at the very least. At the very worst, like Etenne said, someone might accuse this site of grooming. [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::I like the idea of an integrated portal, and a simple wiki. The only thing is how different would the simple wiki be. I feel some of the more 'explicit' articles shouldn't be put into simple language, as that might cause suspicion/be threatening to this site at the very least. At the very worst, like Etenne said, someone might accuse this site of grooming. [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
			::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Lysander: /* BoyWiki for boys? */ :::::::And then what would come of that? ~~~~

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BoyWiki for boys?: :::::::And then what would come of that? ~~~~

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	:::::What about the [http://childwiki.org/wiki/Youth_Rights_Network Youth Rights Network]; they had a lot of teenagers in their movement, some of whom may have been editors of the wiki. See their article on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20110701111323/http://youthrights.net/index.php?title=Age_of_consent age of consent]. By the way, if you find that some of their content hasn't been archived as of a certain date, you might want to try another date. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::What about the [http://childwiki.org/wiki/Youth_Rights_Network Youth Rights Network]; they had a lot of teenagers in their movement, some of whom may have been editors of the wiki. See their article on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20110701111323/http://youthrights.net/index.php?title=Age_of_consent age of consent]. By the way, if you find that some of their content hasn't been archived as of a certain date, you might want to try another date. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::I like the idea of an integrated portal, and a simple wiki. The only thing is how different would the simple wiki be. I feel some of the more 'explicit' articles shouldn't be put into simple language, as that might cause suspicion/be threatening to this site at the very least. At the very worst, like Etenne said, someone might accuse this site of grooming. [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::I like the idea of an integrated portal, and a simple wiki. The only thing is how different would the simple wiki be. I feel some of the more 'explicit' articles shouldn't be put into simple language, as that might cause suspicion/be threatening to this site at the very least. At the very worst, like Etenne said, someone might accuse this site of grooming. [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
			:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hikari: /* BoyWiki for boys? */

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BoyWiki for boys?

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	:::::What about the [http://childwiki.org/wiki/Youth_Rights_Network Youth Rights Network]; they had a lot of teenagers in their movement, some of whom may have been editors of the wiki. See their article on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20110701111323/http://youthrights.net/index.php?title=Age_of_consent age of consent]. By the way, if you find that some of their content hasn't been archived as of a certain date, you might want to try another date. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::What about the [http://childwiki.org/wiki/Youth_Rights_Network Youth Rights Network]; they had a lot of teenagers in their movement, some of whom may have been editors of the wiki. See their article on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20110701111323/http://youthrights.net/index.php?title=Age_of_consent age of consent]. By the way, if you find that some of their content hasn't been archived as of a certain date, you might want to try another date. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
			::::::I like the idea of an integrated portal, and a simple wiki. The only thing is how different would the simple wiki be. I feel some of the more 'explicit' articles shouldn't be put into simple language, as that might cause suspicion/be threatening to this site at the very least. At the very worst, like Etenne said, someone might accuse this site of grooming. [[User:Hikari\|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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