BoyWiki:Agora/26 November 2015 - Revision history

Etenne at 16:10, 21 December 2015

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	::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others? [[User:Hikari]]([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 16:46, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others? [[User:Hikari]]([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 16:46, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hikari: fixed signature

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	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?		::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others? [[User:Hikari]]([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 16:46, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Meco: /* Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki */ new BC thread

2015-11-28T18:03:03Z

Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki: new BC thread

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	::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Do as you wish. In the meantime, I will continue feeling free to quote short passages from BoyChat posts pursuant to fair use doctrine. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::Do as you wish. In the meantime, I will continue feeling free to quote short passages from BoyChat posts pursuant to fair use doctrine. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
			:And [http://boychat.org/messages/1461553.htm here] is another thread over at BC started by Hikari that includes discussion on this topic. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 18:03, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

	==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==		==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==

Meco: /* Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue) */ re Hikari

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Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue): re Hikari

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	::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?		::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?
			:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Hikari: /* Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue) */

2015-11-28T16:46:32Z

Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)

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	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
			::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?

Meco: /* Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue) */ Hikari's notes

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Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue): Hikari's notes

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	==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==		==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==
	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
			:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Meco: /* Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki */ Please, Lysander, learn to do your own formatting or discussions with you are going to be a mess!

2015-11-27T21:57:21Z

Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki: Please, Lysander, learn to do your own formatting or discussions with you are going to be a mess!

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	::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
	Do as you wish. In the meantime, I will continue feeling free to quote short passages from BoyChat posts pursuant to fair use doctrine. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		:::::::Do as you wish. In the meantime, I will continue feeling free to quote short passages from BoyChat posts pursuant to fair use doctrine. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

	==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==		==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==
	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Lysander: /* Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki */

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Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki

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	::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
			Do as you wish. In the meantime, I will continue feeling free to quote short passages from BoyChat posts pursuant to fair use doctrine. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

	==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==		==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==
	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Meco: /* Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki */ re Lysander's proposed statement of consent to republication

2015-11-27T20:39:43Z

Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki: re Lysander's proposed statement of consent to republication

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	::::::::::Thank you for staying active on BoyWiki during circumstances that might would have discouraged me to the point I would have quitted. Most notably, there have been periods when it seemed like you were the only editor, yet you soldiered on. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 18:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::::Thank you for staying active on BoyWiki during circumstances that might would have discouraged me to the point I would have quitted. Most notably, there have been periods when it seemed like you were the only editor, yet you soldiered on. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 18:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::Re. the text in <font color=red>red</font>. I understand the argument and the need felt by many to be able to contribute anonymously. What I don't understand is how this isn't sufficiently provided for by the default wiki setup, even barred allowing anonymous contributions. Can someone please explain why they find that the way this wiki currently operates provides them insufficient security? __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::::Re. the text in <font color=red>red</font>. I understand the argument and the need felt by many to be able to contribute anonymously. What I don't understand is how this isn't sufficiently provided for by the default wiki setup, even barred allowing anonymous contributions. Can someone please explain why they find that the way this wiki currently operates provides them insufficient security? __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
			::::::This does not seem to be sufficient as an approach to this issue. As I have argued, other, antagonistic parties are going to harvest stuff from any pedo-related forum or website with utter disregard for intellectual property or privacy rights. I would think it even more important that we focuse on protecting people at BoyChat who do not want the additional exposure of being referred to prominently (or not so prominently) in a BoyWiki article. There would be several ways of effecting such protection (but such measures should be effected usually only upon concrete demand to do so). For one, we could make additional efforts to anonymize a text (quote) from BoyChat, not naming who posted it, not linking to the BC post. Also, we could use paraphrasing rather than exact quoting when requested to do so. These options could be announced at BoyChat along with their rules for posting.
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			::::::We here at BoyWiki should devise guidelines for referencing and quoting BoyChat. One point of these guidelines should require that whenever material from BC was added to or referenced at a BoyWiki page (whether that be an article or a discussion), the BoyChat poster and BoyChat thread in question should be notified. And there would likely be different considerations depending on whether the reference was in an article or in a discussion. Notification to users could possibly be made privately with the cooperation of the BoyChat cogs, I suppose. If this isn't possible we could simply post the notification as a BoyChat post using a standard header such as "Notification of BoyWiki reuse", possibly even including the name of the user being notified in the title. The downside to this is that it would be very ostentatious (and some would perhaps even consider it clutter). And this notification post, or one delivered privately, would then include the standard conditions, routines and how to request added level of anonymity along the lines with which I started this comment. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

	==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==		==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==
	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Meco: /* Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki */ Why the need for more security than is already offered?

2015-11-27T19:22:46Z

Hoopla over using BoyChat material at BoyWiki: Why the need for more security than is already offered?

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	::::::::::Thank you for staying active on BoyWiki during circumstances that might would have discouraged me to the point I would have quitted. Most notably, there have been periods when it seemed like you were the only editor, yet you soldiered on. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 18:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)		::::::::::Thank you for staying active on BoyWiki during circumstances that might would have discouraged me to the point I would have quitted. Most notably, there have been periods when it seemed like you were the only editor, yet you soldiered on. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 18:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
			::::::::::Re. the text in <font color=red>red</font>. I understand the argument and the need felt by many to be able to contribute anonymously. What I don't understand is how this isn't sufficiently provided for by the default wiki setup, even barred allowing anonymous contributions. Can someone please explain why they find that the way this wiki currently operates provides them insufficient security? __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 19:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

	==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==		==Do we already have an article on this (gender bias issue)==
	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?		::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others? [[User:Hikari]]([[User talk:Hikari\|talk]]) 16:46, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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	::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?		::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?
			:::That is one of the things we might just find out after we started to collate this material. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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	When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)		When I read [http://boychat.org/messages/1461214.htm this post] at BC I figured it would be a very valuable thing to collate such stories from from both the male and female adult side and compare the reactions. We could start out by simply collecting the evidence and then as the material increased we could give it some analysis. Also, I'm sure there must exist some analyses of this complex already, and that should also going into this article as soon as it got dug up. The stark opposite to that woman/boy story would be [http://boychat.org/messages/1461226.htm this], I presume. A focus of the article would have to, in my opinion, also be homophobia and androphobia/misandry. __[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 17:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)		:[[User:Hikari/notes]] ____[[User:Meco\|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco\|talk]]) 14:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
			::Hi Meco. Please use the notes as you wish :) Also, the doctor who was harassed is a female. Have you also seen [[Is Gender Off The Table for New Zealand When It Comes To Sex Crimes With The Young?\|this]] new article? You could use it to compare and contrast. It raises the question, do other countries have more of a gender bias than others?