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	Most of these (IMNSHO) also belong in the category "Encyclopedia". To manually add the category to each of them would be ''very time-consuming''. There ''is'' a way to automatically add the category to each of these, by using a "bot".

	I suggest that it is essential that BW admin investigate as soon as possible the design and use of "bots" so as to save the time and effort of editors - time which could be ''much better spent'' on improving the articles rather than on "mechanical" and "repetitive" tasks, which are ''exactly'' what computer programs were designed for - to automate tasks and make life simpler and better for humans.

	Until very recently, there ''was'' a user here at BW who displayed skills with "bots", but for some reason he has now (apparently) ceased to make any further contributions here at BW. Was he somehow discouraged by the actions or attitudes of some here? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 14:36, 9 April 2014 (CEST)


	~~:All articles in Category:Fledgling were put there because they are incomplete. If you wish to finish any of them and add them to the appropriate categories, I would encourage you to do so.~~

	~~:As for Bots, I will ask the BoyWiki counsel what they think.~~

	~~:As for the user you ask about, I don't know who you are talking about?~~

	~~--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 14:44, 9 April 2014 (CEST)~~

	~~::If all articles which are "incomplete" are excluded from the categories which they correctly belong to, then ''no'' articles should be classified in ''any'' categories.~~

	::Wiki articles are ''always'' subject to editing and improvement. That, by definition, is ''exactly what a wiki is!'' Wiki articles are ''never'' "complete". [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 15:32, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

	::: Nothing has been purposefully excluded... I looked at the first few articles are all of them were categorized in their proper category. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 15:55, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

	~~::::I see now that you, indeed, don't "get it".~~

	~~::::I may have to reconsider my continuing participation here. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 16:13, 9 April 2014 (CEST)~~

	:::::I think you need to ask yourself if you aren't making the same mistakes here that you have made elsewhere. Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board or that what they think is right is not equally as valid. I have no problem with many of your ideas, I have no problem if you wanted to add every article from every subcategory to Category:Encyclopedia (but not remove them from their proper subcategories) and I certainly have absolutely no problem with you wanting to improve the Help:pages. Where I have a problem is with you trying to say "this has be to changed" and assuming that it is wrong when you have no idea why it was set up that way in the first place or even take into consideration that it might be correct even if you don't know why. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 17:39, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

	~~::::::---~~

	~~::::::There are people who know how to do certain things. And there are people who ''don't'' know how to do certain things.~~

	~~::::::There is an Arabic proverb:~~
	~~<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><poem>~~
	~~"He who knows not, and knows ''not'' that he knows not, is a fool.~~
	~~Shun him.~~
	~~He who knows not, and ''knows'' that he knows not, is a child.~~
	~~Teach him.~~
	~~He who knows, and knows ''not'' that he knows, is asleep.~~
	~~Wake him.~~
	~~He who knows, and ''knows'' that he knows, is wise.~~
	~~Follow him."</poem>~~
	~~</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>~~

	~~::::::Hmm... So what ''do'' you know? What do you ''think'' you know?~~

	~~::::::For example, what do you know about formulating database queries?~~

	~~::::::Did you even know that formulating database queries is what we have ''really'' been talking about all along?~~

	~~::::::::''"Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board..."''~~

	~~::::::True. That is covered in the above proverb.~~

	~~::::::::''"...or that what they think is right is not equally as valid."''~~

	~~::::::Valid opinions are held by those who ''know''. Invalid opinions are a complete waste of time. (See the above proverb.)~~

	~~::::::Excuse me that - after having carefully, ''very patiently'', and repeatedly, explained a number of important things - I have now become less diplomatic in my approach.~~

	~~::::::My bad.~~

	~~::::::[[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 18:56, 9 April 2014 (CEST)~~

	~~That being the case, I only see that you have three options:~~

	~~1. Accept the things you cannot change and change the things you can. (which is what I recommend)~~

	~~2. Appeal my decisions to Bron at Bron@boywiki.org~~

	~~3. Decide that this is not a good fit for you and leave for which I will say, sorry to see you go.~~

	~~--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 19:52, 9 April 2014 (CEST)~~

	~~---~~

	~~:I really think you ''still'' "don't get it".~~

	~~:I have not asked you to "reclassify" already classified articles.~~

	~~:Do you understand what I ''have'' said needs to be done?~~

	~~:Oh - and just what ''is'' this/these "decision(s)" of yours?~~

	:And also, you might want to keep in mind your "#1" above - if you want ''quality'' work, you may have to put up with criticisms from folks with somewhat-abrasive personalities. And learn from them. And then have a ''much better'' wiki.

	~~:[[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 20:08, 9 April 2014 (CEST)~~

User4 at 18:08, 9 April 2014

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	--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 19:52, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 19:52, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

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			:I really think you ''still'' "don't get it".

			:I have not asked you to "reclassify" already classified articles.

			:Do you understand what I ''have'' said needs to be done?

			:Oh - and just what ''is'' this/these "decision(s)" of yours?

			:And also, you might want to keep in mind your "#1" above - if you want ''quality'' work, you may have to put up with criticisms from folks with somewhat-abrasive personalities. And learn from them. And then have a ''much better'' wiki.

			:[[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 20:08, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

Etenne at 17:52, 9 April 2014

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			That being the case, I only see that you have three options:

			1. Accept the things you cannot change and change the things you can. (which is what I recommend)

			2. Appeal my decisions to Bron at Bron@boywiki.org

			3. Decide that this is not a good fit for you and leave for which I will say, sorry to see you go.

			--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 19:52, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

User4 at 16:56, 9 April 2014

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	:::::I think you need to ask yourself if you aren't making the same mistakes here that you have made elsewhere. Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board or that what they think is right is not equally as valid. I have no problem with many of your ideas, I have no problem if you wanted to add every article from every subcategory to Category:Encyclopedia (but not remove them from their proper subcategories) and I certainly have absolutely no problem with you wanting to improve the Help:pages. Where I have a problem is with you trying to say "this has be to changed" and assuming that it is wrong when you have no idea why it was set up that way in the first place or even take into consideration that it might be correct even if you don't know why. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 17:39, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		:::::I think you need to ask yourself if you aren't making the same mistakes here that you have made elsewhere. Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board or that what they think is right is not equally as valid. I have no problem with many of your ideas, I have no problem if you wanted to add every article from every subcategory to Category:Encyclopedia (but not remove them from their proper subcategories) and I certainly have absolutely no problem with you wanting to improve the Help:pages. Where I have a problem is with you trying to say "this has be to changed" and assuming that it is wrong when you have no idea why it was set up that way in the first place or even take into consideration that it might be correct even if you don't know why. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 17:39, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

			::::::---

			::::::There are people who know how to do certain things. And there are people who ''don't'' know how to do certain things.

			::::::There is an Arabic proverb:
			<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><poem>
			"He who knows not, and knows ''not'' that he knows not, is a fool.
			Shun him.
			He who knows not, and ''knows'' that he knows not, is a child.
			Teach him.
			He who knows, and knows ''not'' that he knows, is asleep.
			Wake him.
			He who knows, and ''knows'' that he knows, is wise.
			Follow him."</poem>
			</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>

			::::::Hmm... So what ''do'' you know? What do you ''think'' you know?

			::::::For example, what do you know about formulating database queries?

			::::::Did you even know that formulating database queries is what we have ''really'' been talking about all along?

			::::::::''"Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board..."''

			::::::True. That is covered in the above proverb.

			::::::::''"...or that what they think is right is not equally as valid."''

			::::::Valid opinions are held by those who ''know''. Invalid opinions are a complete waste of time. (See the above proverb.)

			::::::Excuse me that - after having carefully, ''very patiently'', and repeatedly, explained a number of important things - I have now become less diplomatic in my approach.

			::::::My bad.

			::::::[[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 18:56, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

Etenne at 15:51, 9 April 2014

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	::::I may have to reconsider my continuing participation here. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 16:13, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		::::I may have to reconsider my continuing participation here. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 16:13, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

	:::::I think you need to ask yourself if you aren't making the same mistakes here that you have made elsewhere. Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board or that what they think is right is not equally as valid. I have no problem with many of your ideas, I have no problem if you wanted to add every article from every subcategory to Category:Encyclopedia and I certainly have absolutely no problem with you wanting to improve the Help:pages. Where I have a problem is with you trying to say "this has be to changed" and assuming that it is wrong when you have no idea why it was set up that way in the first place or even take into consideration that it might be correct even if you don't know why. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 17:39, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		:::::I think you need to ask yourself if you aren't making the same mistakes here that you have made elsewhere. Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board or that what they think is right is not equally as valid. I have no problem with many of your ideas, I have no problem if you wanted to add every article from every subcategory to Category:Encyclopedia (but not remove them from their proper subcategories) and I certainly have absolutely no problem with you wanting to improve the Help:pages. Where I have a problem is with you trying to say "this has be to changed" and assuming that it is wrong when you have no idea why it was set up that way in the first place or even take into consideration that it might be correct even if you don't know why. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 17:39, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

Etenne at 15:39, 9 April 2014

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	::::I may have to reconsider my continuing participation here. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 16:13, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		::::I may have to reconsider my continuing participation here. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 16:13, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

			:::::I think you need to ask yourself if you aren't making the same mistakes here that you have made elsewhere. Just because '''you''' think it is a good idea doesn't mean other people are going to automatically be on board or that what they think is right is not equally as valid. I have no problem with many of your ideas, I have no problem if you wanted to add every article from every subcategory to Category:Encyclopedia and I certainly have absolutely no problem with you wanting to improve the Help:pages. Where I have a problem is with you trying to say "this has be to changed" and assuming that it is wrong when you have no idea why it was set up that way in the first place or even take into consideration that it might be correct even if you don't know why. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 17:39, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

User4 at 14:13, 9 April 2014

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	::: Nothing has been purposefully excluded... I looked at the first few articles are all of them were categorized in their proper category. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 15:55, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		::: Nothing has been purposefully excluded... I looked at the first few articles are all of them were categorized in their proper category. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 15:55, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

			::::I see now that you, indeed, don't "get it".

			::::I may have to reconsider my continuing participation here. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 16:13, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

Etenne at 13:55, 9 April 2014

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	::Wiki articles are ''always'' subject to editing and improvement. That, by definition, is ''exactly what a wiki is!'' Wiki articles are ''never'' "complete". [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 15:32, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		::Wiki articles are ''always'' subject to editing and improvement. That, by definition, is ''exactly what a wiki is!'' Wiki articles are ''never'' "complete". [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 15:32, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

			::: Nothing has been purposefully excluded... I looked at the first few articles are all of them were categorized in their proper category. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 15:55, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

User4 at 13:32, 9 April 2014

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			::If all articles which are "incomplete" are excluded from the categories which they correctly belong to, then ''no'' articles should be classified in ''any'' categories.

			::Wiki articles are ''always'' subject to editing and improvement. That, by definition, is ''exactly what a wiki is!'' Wiki articles are ''never'' "complete". [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 15:32, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

Etenne at 12:44, 9 April 2014

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	Until very recently, there ''was'' a user here at BW who displayed skills with "bots", but for some reason he has now (apparently) ceased to make any further contributions here at BW. Was he somehow discouraged by the actions or attitudes of some here? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 14:36, 9 April 2014 (CEST)		Until very recently, there ''was'' a user here at BW who displayed skills with "bots", but for some reason he has now (apparently) ceased to make any further contributions here at BW. Was he somehow discouraged by the actions or attitudes of some here? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 14:36, 9 April 2014 (CEST)


			:All articles in Category:Fledgling were put there because they are incomplete. If you wish to finish any of them and add them to the appropriate categories, I would encourage you to do so.

			:As for Bots, I will ask the BoyWiki counsel what they think.

			:As for the user you ask about, I don't know who you are talking about?

			--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 14:44, 9 April 2014 (CEST)