Cinaedi, massacre of the (390 CE) - Revision history

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User4: this maybe belongs better as a section in the roman history of pederasty. but it doesn't matter. it is marked for deletion.

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this maybe belongs better as a section in the roman history of pederasty. but it doesn't matter. it is marked for deletion.

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	~~<p>~~Otto Seeck~~<i></i>~~
	~~<p>~~<i>Geschichte des Untergangs der antiken Welt</i>, vol. 5, 4th edition,		Otto Seeck

			<i>Geschichte des Untergangs der antiken Welt</i>, vol. 5, 4th edition,
	Stuttgart: J.B. Metzler, 1921, (6 volumes in 12), pp. 228-229		Stuttgart: J.B. Metzler, 1921, (6 volumes in 12), pp. 228-229
	~~<br> ~~
	~~<br> ~~		Volume VI. Valentinian and his family.
	~~<p>~~Volume VI. Valentinian and his family.
	~~<br>~~Chapter 6. The last uprising of paganism.		Chapter 6. The last uprising of paganism.
	~~<p>~~[...]
	~~<p>~~Theodosius did not manage to stay very long in Milan. In the spring		[...]

			Theodosius did not manage to stay very long in Milan. In the spring
	of 390, he had left the city again, when a message was brought to him that		of 390, he had left the city again, when a message was brought to him that
	incited the most furious explosive rage in him. It was to be the cause		incited the most furious explosive rage in him. It was to be the cause
	of a gruesome mass murder that would sully his reputation for all time.		of a gruesome mass murder that would sully his reputation for all time.
	~~<p>~~In Milan, under the influence of Ambrose, an influence which had probably
			In Milan, under the influence of Ambrose, an influence which had probably
	been greatly heightened by the appearance of the comet, the emperor had		been greatly heightened by the appearance of the comet, the emperor had
	issued another law, besides the law against heresy, according to which		issued another law, besides the law against heresy, according to which
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	Theodosius had been tolerant [of the violence] of his own accord, but then		Theodosius had been tolerant [of the violence] of his own accord, but then
	when he became impatient. Ambrose had compelled him to be tolerant. But		when he became impatient. Ambrose had compelled him to be tolerant. But
	now that the wildness of the masses had robbed him of a valued general		now that the wildness of the masses had robbed him of a valued general [...]
	...
	~~<br> ~~		<u>Note to page 229, line 9 (on pp. 531-32)</u>
	~~<p>~~<u>Note to page 229, line 9 (on pp. 531-32)</u>
	~~<br>~~<i>Collatio legum Romanorum et Mosaicorum</i> V 3. here the law bears		<i>Collatio legum Romanorum et Mosaicorum</i> V 3. here the law bears
	the inscription: <i>prop(ositum) pr(idie) id(us) Maias Romae in atrio Minervae</i>		the inscription: <i>prop(ositum) pr(idie) id(us) Maias Romae in atrio Minervae</i>
	["posted on the day before the ides of May (i.e. May 14) at Rome in the		["posted on the day before the ides of May (i.e. May 14) at Rome in the

User4: Emperor Theodosius decrees that all Cinaedi be burned alive. Massive riots followed.

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Emperor Theodosius decrees that all Cinaedi be burned alive. Massive riots followed.

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Otto Seeck
Geschichte des Untergangs der antiken Welt, vol. 5, 4th edition,
Stuttgart: J.B. Metzler, 1921, (6 volumes in 12), pp. 228-229
  
  
Volume VI. Valentinian and his family.
 Chapter 6. The last uprising of paganism.
[...]
Theodosius did not manage to stay very long in Milan. In the spring
of 390, he had left the city again, when a message was brought to him that
incited the most furious explosive rage in him. It was to be the cause
of a gruesome mass murder that would sully his reputation for all time.
In Milan, under the influence of Ambrose, an influence which had probably
been greatly heightened by the appearance of the comet, the emperor had
issued another law, besides the law against heresy, according to which
all the cinaedi [passive homosexuals] of Rome were to be burned
[see note reproduced below]. The announcement thereof also must have entailed
a more severe prosecution of the paederasts [active homosexuals]. Now in
Thessalonica, a very popular circus charioteer had pursued a beautiful
young boy, who served as the cupbearer to Butherich, the commander of the
Illyrian troops, and he was arrested for that reason. When soon thereafter
public chariot races were supposed to be held, the people called for his
release so that he could take part, but the request was denied. Then the
mob, whose enjoyment of the circus games was one of their greatest pleasures
in life, broke out in a wild riot, and Butherich was killed. In recent
years, such disturbances had become very frequent. We have seen already
how in Antioch the statues of the imperial family were overturned(p. 170),
then in Constantinople the house of the bishop and in the Orient Jewish
synagogues and heretical houses of prayer had been set on fire, pagan temples
demolished and valuable works of art destroyed (pp. 220, 222). In the beginning,
Theodosius had been tolerant [of the violence] of his own accord, but then
when he became impatient. Ambrose had compelled him to be tolerant. But
now that the wildness of the masses had robbed him of a valued general
...
  
Note to page 229, line 9 (on pp. 531-32)
 Collatio legum Romanorum et Mosaicorum V 3. here the law bears
the inscription: prop(ositum) pr(idie) id(us) Maias Romae in atrio Minervae
["posted on the day before the ides of May (i.e. May 14) at Rome in the
atrium of Minerva"] without mentioning a consul. In the fragment included
in the Codex Theodosianus (IX, 7, 6), it says: p(ro)p(ositum) in foro
Traiani VIII id. Aug. Valentiniano A. IIII et Neoterio conss. ["posted
at Trajan's Forum on the eighth day before the ides of August (August 6)
in the fourth year of the reign of Valentinian Augustus and during the
consulate of Neoterius"] (390). The difference in the time and location
may perhaps be explained in the following manner. The law was publicly
posted first on May 14, 390 in the Atrium Minervae and those against whom
it was directed were arrested. But since the number of cinaedi was
surprisingly large, the officials hesitated to effect such a mass execution,
removed the law and consulted with the emperor as to whether it should
be enforced in its full severity. After he affirmed this, it was posted
a second time on August 6 at the Forum Trajanum. But however it happened,
the report given by the Collatio cannot be discarded, because it is consistently
more reliable than the Codex Theodosianus. But since the date of a law
is regularly several weeks, occasionally even many months, earlier than
the posting, it can be assumed that it was promulgated no later than the
start of April, that is, during the period when Theodosius was still in
Milan. - That the cinaedi were threatened with the death penalty
thereafter can be seen in Augustine, City of God VI 8: viros muliebra
pati - quod in vitiosis hominum moribus vix habet inter tormenta confessionem.