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	==See also==		==See also==
			*Source [[https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Feminism Feminism [[Newgon]]Wiki]
	*[[Wikipedia:Radical feminism\|Radical feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Radical feminism\|Radical feminism]] - Wikipedia.
	*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.

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	*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.
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	*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.
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	Whilst some sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Heather Corinna]], and [[Shulamith Firestone]] elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s, the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive". It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males.		Whilst some sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Heather Corinna]], and [[Shulamith Firestone]] elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s, the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive". It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males.

			Margaret Cruikshank notes, "In the eyes of lesbian feminists, NAMBLA exploits children. But because sex is central to gay male life, any attempt to restrict it or any support for censorship seems antithetical to the spirit of gay liberation."<ref>The Gay and Lesbian Liberation Movement By Margaret Cruikshank p. 177-178</ref>

			==History==
			At its October 1980 convention, [[NOW]] adopted a resolution with a "concept paper" that had a novel definition of [[pederasty]] ("the involvement of children by adults in sexual activity") and stated, "it is well known that over 90% of all pederasts are heterosexual males who seek out young girls as their victims".<ref>Man/Boy Love and Feminism by David Thorstad</ref>

	==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among boylovers==		==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among boylovers==

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	'''Feminism''' is a ~~belief~~-~~system based on a purported~~ anti-oppression point of view as applied to the contemporary situation of women and historical abuses faced by women and other minorities. ~~The~~ feminist discourse is particularly concerned with equal rights, and in some cases, outright [[inequality\|equality]].		'''Feminism''', like the word "pedophilia," encompasses a wide range of meanings. There does not exist one "feminism," but, rather, a quite large number of somewhat-related groups espousing differing [[Child_abuse_narrative\|narratives]], such as the narrative concerning child abuse.

			One of the narratives is an anti-oppression point of view as applied to the contemporary situation of women and historical abuses faced by women and other minorities. This feminist discourse is particularly concerned with equal rights, and in some cases, outright [[inequality\|equality]].

			The "radical, third-wave" feminists joined forces with right-wing Republicans to condemn intergenerational sexual activity. Other feminist groups have differing opinions. Wikipedia has a large number of articles explaining the differences between the different "feminist" schools of thought.

	Whilst some sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Heather Corinna]], and [[Shulamith Firestone]] elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s, the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive". It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males.		Whilst some sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Heather Corinna]], and [[Shulamith Firestone]] elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s, the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive". It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males.



	==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among boylovers==		==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among boylovers==
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	A number of reasons can be speculatively offered:		A number of reasons can be speculatively offered:

	* The perception of ~~feminism~~ as ~~a founder member of~~ the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organisations such as [[The Leadership Council]].		* The perception of some feminists as espousing the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organisations such as [[The Leadership Council]].
	* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[child sexual abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.		* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[child sexual abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.
	* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those ~~speculated~~ in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Failure of some feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those theorized in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.
	* Failure of feminists to identify with or even tentatively address issues related to masculinity.		* Failure of some feminists to identify with or even tentatively address issues related to masculinity.
	* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalised model of covertly exercised authority.		* The perception of modern feminism as being female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalised model of covertly exercised authority.
	* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Infantilisation\|infantalising]] them and denying their autonomy.		* Attempts by some feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Infantilisation\|infantalising]] them and denying their autonomy.
	* The use of [[pedohysteria]] as essentially the frontline ideology in the feminist [[war on men]]. Feminists oppose at all costs anything that could bring men pleasure, and would even prefer that children suffer under poverty rather than enjoy a consensual, loving relationship with an older man who could provide for their physical and emotional needs.		* The use of [[pedohysteria]] as essentially the frontline ideology in the feminist [[war on men]]. Feminists oppose at all costs anything that could bring men pleasure, and would even prefer that children suffer under poverty rather than enjoy a consensual, loving relationship with an older man who could provide for their physical and emotional needs.
	* Plain misogyny.		* Plain misogyny.

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	* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalised model of covertly exercised authority.		* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalised model of covertly exercised authority.
	* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Infantilisation\|infantalising]] them and denying their autonomy.		* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Infantilisation\|infantalising]] them and denying their autonomy.
	* The use of [[pedohysteria]] as essentially the frontline ideology in the feminist [[war on men]].		* The use of [[pedohysteria]] as essentially the frontline ideology in the feminist [[war on men]]. Feminists oppose at all costs anything that could bring men pleasure, and would even prefer that children suffer under poverty rather than enjoy a consensual, loving relationship with an older man who could provide for their physical and emotional needs.
	* Plain misogyny.		* Plain misogyny.

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	Gayle Rubin was the first libertarian to voice doubts about the tendency of liberal and radical feminists to unite in a new moralism that would legitimize lesbian and gay sexuality but continue to stigmatize other sexual minorities and practices.<ref>{{cite journal\|author=Ferguson, Ann\|title=Pleasure, Power and the Porn Wars\|journal=The Women's review of books\|date=May 1986\|volume=3\|issue=8\|pages=11-13}}</ref> The sex radicals or pro-sex feminists saw statutory rape laws as violating privacy and personal autonomy and feared (correctly) that gender-neutral laws would increase discrimination against homosexuals by allowing them to be prosecuted for statutory rape.<ref>{{cite journal\|title=From "Welfare Queen" to "Exploited Teen": Welfare Dependency, Statutory Rape, and Moral Panic\|author=Carolyn E. Cocca\|journal=NWSA Journal\|volume=14\|number=2\|date=Summer, 2002\|pages=56-79\|publisher=The Johns Hopkins University Press\|url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/4316892}}</ref>		Gayle Rubin was the first libertarian to voice doubts about the tendency of liberal and radical feminists to unite in a new moralism that would legitimize lesbian and gay sexuality but continue to stigmatize other sexual minorities and practices.<ref>{{cite journal\|author=Ferguson, Ann\|title=Pleasure, Power and the Porn Wars\|journal=The Women's review of books\|date=May 1986\|volume=3\|issue=8\|pages=11-13}}</ref> The sex radicals or pro-sex feminists saw statutory rape laws as violating privacy and personal autonomy and feared (correctly) that gender-neutral laws would increase discrimination against homosexuals by allowing them to be prosecuted for statutory rape.<ref>{{cite journal\|title=From "Welfare Queen" to "Exploited Teen": Welfare Dependency, Statutory Rape, and Moral Panic\|author=Carolyn E. Cocca\|journal=NWSA Journal\|volume=14\|number=2\|date=Summer, 2002\|pages=56-79\|publisher=The Johns Hopkins University Press\|url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/4316892}}</ref>

			Not all those who call themselves "libertarians" are sympathetic to BL issues; for example, Cathy Reisenwitz writes, "Child pornography is illegal because a child has to be harmed to make it and because people think that owning child porn is likely to cause someone to hurt a child. It’s the gateway porn."<ref>http://cathyreisenwitz.com/blog/2010/03/02/should-ownership-ever-be-a-crime/</ref>

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	==See also==		==See also==
	*Source [[https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Feminism Feminism [[Newgon]]Wiki]		*Source [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Feminism Feminism] - [[Newgon]]Wiki
	*[[Wikipedia:Radical feminism\|Radical feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Radical feminism\|Radical feminism]] - Wikipedia.
	*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.

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	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[Intergenerational Lesbianism]]
	*[[Wikipedia:Radical feminism\|Radical feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Radical feminism\|Radical feminism]] - Wikipedia.
	*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.		*[[Wikipedia:Sex-positive feminism\|Sex-positive feminism]] - Wikipedia.

	==References==		==References==
	{{reflist}}		{{reflist}}

	[[Category:Feminism]]		[[Category:Feminism]]