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	== The boy-tax ==		== The boy-tax ==

	The boy-tax (~~devsirme, with a comma under the s~~, commonly written outside of Turkey devshirme; see the Wikipedia article) was a required tribute of boys imposed on the Christian communities of eastern Europe under Ottoman control, from the fourteenth through the seventeenth centuries. Every four or five years boys between 7 and 10 (though some were much younger) were taken by the hundreds to Istanbul, converted to Islam, and educated. The ostensible purpose was to create a caste of soldiers and servants who had no allegiance to anyone but the sultan, since they had no relatives save a very distant, inaccessible family. Some became janissaries. Handsome specimens served the sexual desires of the sultan and his friends.		The boy-tax (devşirme, commonly written outside of Turkey devshirme; see the Wikipedia article) was a required tribute of boys imposed on the Christian communities of eastern Europe under Ottoman control, from the fourteenth through the seventeenth centuries. Every four or five years boys between 7 and 10 (though some were much younger) were taken by the hundreds to Istanbul, converted to Islam, and educated. The ostensible purpose was to create a caste of soldiers and servants who had no allegiance to anyone but the sultan, since they had no relatives save a very distant, inaccessible family. Some became janissaries. Handsome specimens served the sexual desires of the sultan and his friends.

	Many of the boys, dressed as females, became [[köçek]] dancers.		Many of the boys, dressed as females, became [[köçek]] dancers.

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	== Boylove in the Ottoman empire ==		== Boylove in the Ottoman empire ==
	Boylove -- which was understood to mean sex with boys -- was seen in the Ottoman empire as especially enjoyable. "The Gauls and those living in the northern countries are [as seen by the Turks] insensible of pleasure; it is only them that have the true smack of voluptuousness" (i.e., from sex with boys).<ref>Nicholas Chorier, ''The Dialogues of Luisa Sigea'', trans. not specified, North Hollywood, Brandon House, 1965, p. 284 (paraphrased).</ref> In sixteenth-century Algiers, according to Spanish historian Diego de Haedo (our only source), "Sodomy is honorable, because he who supports more boys (''~~garzones~~'') has more status ("es más honrado"). Men like them more than their own wives and daughters. Many of the Turks and renegades [European Christians converted to Islam], even senior, influential men ("hombres grandes y viejos"), only want boys for wives, and boast of never having had sex with a women their whole lives. Rather, they despise females and don't want to set eyes on them."<ref>"La sodomía se tiene...por honra, porque aquel es más honrado que sustenta más garçones y los celan más que las propias mujeres y hijas.... A muchos de los turcos y renegados, que con ser ya hombres s grandes y viejos, no sólo no se quieren casar con otras mujeres que estos garçones, pero se alaban no haber jamás en toda su vida conocido alguna hembra, antes las aborrecen y no quieren ver de los ojos." Quote from Diego de Haedo, ''Topografía e historia general de Argel'', 3 vols., Madrid: Sociedad de Bibliófilos Españoles, 1927-29, vol. 1, pp. 176-177. The authorship of this work is disputed.</ref>		Boylove -- which was understood to mean sex with boys -- was seen in the Ottoman empire as especially enjoyable. "The Gauls and those living in the northern countries are [as seen by the Turks] insensible of pleasure; it is only them that have the true smack of voluptuousness" (i.e., from sex with boys).<ref>Nicholas Chorier, ''The Dialogues of Luisa Sigea'', trans. not specified, North Hollywood, Brandon House, 1965, p. 284 (paraphrased).</ref> In sixteenth-century Algiers, according to Spanish historian Diego de Haedo (our only source), "Sodomy is honorable, because he who supports more boys (''garçones'') has more status ("es más honrado"). Men like them more than their own wives and daughters. Many of the Turks and renegades [European Christians converted to Islam], even senior, influential men ("hombres grandes y viejos"), only want boys for wives, and boast of never having had sex with a women their whole lives. Rather, they despise females and don't want to set eyes on them."<ref>"La sodomía se tiene...por honra, porque aquel es más honrado que sustenta más garçones y los celan más que las propias mujeres y hijas.... A muchos de los turcos y renegados, que con ser ya hombres s grandes y viejos, no sólo no se quieren casar con otras mujeres que estos garçones, pero se alaban no haber jamás en toda su vida conocido alguna hembra, antes las aborrecen y no quieren ver de los ojos." Quote from Diego de Haedo, ''Topografía e historia general de Argel'', 3 vols., Madrid: Sociedad de Bibliófilos Españoles, 1927-29, vol. 1, pp. 176-177. The authorship of this work is disputed.</ref>

	The Ottoman Empire (not modern Turkey) appears as a location for pedophile fiction, as in [http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/historical/sultans-favorite-boy/ "The Sultan's Favorite Boy"] (which starts with the boy-tax) and [http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/nifty/gay/adult-youth/osman-goes-to-court.html "Osman goes to Court. A Thousand and One Tales of Osman the Pedophile"]. Osman is a Turkish name.		The Ottoman Empire (not modern Turkey) appears as a location for pedophile fiction, as in [http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/historical/sultans-favorite-boy/ "The Sultan's Favorite Boy"] (which starts with the boy-tax) and [http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/nifty/gay/adult-youth/osman-goes-to-court.html "Osman goes to Court. A Thousand and One Tales of Osman the Pedophile"]. Osman is a Turkish name.

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	The Ottoman Empire should not be confused with modern [[Turkey]]. It did not view itself as Turkish (though Turkish was the language of empire, and it was definitely centered at its capital and largest city, Istanbul). It viewed itself as ''the'' Muslim state -- the true caliphate, ruled over by descendants of Mohammed.		The Ottoman Empire should not be confused with modern [[Turkey]]. It did not view itself as Turkish (though Turkish was the language of empire, and it was definitely centered at its capital and largest city, Istanbul). It viewed itself as ''the'' Muslim state -- the true caliphate, ruled over by descendants of Mohammed.

	Turkey has rejected its Ottoman past, moving its capital from Istanbul to ~~the~~ a new capital it created at Ankara, and changing from the Arabic to the Roman alphabet (thus making all prior books published in Turkish unintelligible to modern readers without special training). Also, the Ottoman Empire was much larger than present-day Turkey.		Turkey has rejected its Ottoman past, moving its capital from Istanbul to a new capital it created at Ankara, and changing from the Arabic to the Roman alphabet (thus making all prior books published in Turkish unintelligible to modern readers without special training). Also, the Ottoman Empire was much larger than present-day Turkey.

	==Sensuality==		==Sensuality==

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	== The boy-tax ==		== The boy-tax ==

	The boy-tax (devsirme, with a comma under the s; see the Wikipedia article) was a required tribute of boys imposed on the Christian communities of eastern Europe under Ottoman control, from the fourteenth through the seventeenth centuries. Every four or five years boys between 7 and 10 (though some were much younger) were taken by the hundreds to Istanbul, converted to Islam, and educated. The ostensible purpose was to create a caste of soldiers and servants who had no allegiance to anyone but the sultan, since they had no relatives save a very distant, inaccessible family. Some became janissaries. Handsome specimens served the sexual desires of the sultan and his friends.		The boy-tax (devsirme, with a comma under the s, commonly written outside of Turkey devshirme; see the Wikipedia article) was a required tribute of boys imposed on the Christian communities of eastern Europe under Ottoman control, from the fourteenth through the seventeenth centuries. Every four or five years boys between 7 and 10 (though some were much younger) were taken by the hundreds to Istanbul, converted to Islam, and educated. The ostensible purpose was to create a caste of soldiers and servants who had no allegiance to anyone but the sultan, since they had no relatives save a very distant, inaccessible family. Some became janissaries. Handsome specimens served the sexual desires of the sultan and his friends.

	Many of the boys, dressed as females, became [[köçek]] dancers.		Many of the boys, dressed as females, became [[köçek]] dancers.

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	== Boylove in the Ottoman empire ==		== Boylove in the Ottoman empire ==
	Boylove -- which was understood to mean sex with boys -- was seen in the Ottoman empire as especially enjoyable. "The Gauls and those living in the northern countries are [as seen by the Turks] insensible of pleasure; it is only them that have the true smack of voluptuousness" (i.e., from sex with boys).<ref>Nicholas Chorier, ''The Dialogues of Luisa Sigea'', trans. not specified, North Hollywood, Brandon House, 1965, p. 284 (paraphrased).</ref> In sixteenth-century Algiers, according to Spanish historian Diego de Haedo (our only source), "Sodomy is honorable, because he who supports more boys (''garzones'') has more status ("es más honrado"). Men ~~liked~~ them more than their own wives and daughters. Many of the Turks and renegades [European Christians converted to Islam], even senior, influential men ("hombres grandes y viejos"), only want boys for wives, and boast of never having had sex with a women their whole lives. Rather, they despise females and don't want to set eyes on them."<ref>"La sodomía se tiene...por honra, porque aquel es más honrado que sustenta más garçones y los celan más que las propias mujeres y hijas.... A muchos de los turcos y renegados, que con ser ya hombres s grandes y viejos, no sólo no se quieren casar con otras mujeres que estos garçones, pero se alaban no haber jamás en toda su vida conocido alguna hembra, antes las aborrecen y no quieren ver de los ojos." Quote from Diego de Haedo, ''Topografía e historia general de Argel'', 3 vols., Madrid: Sociedad de Bibliófilos Españoles, 1927-29, vol. 1, pp. 176-177. The authorship of this work is disputed.</ref>		Boylove -- which was understood to mean sex with boys -- was seen in the Ottoman empire as especially enjoyable. "The Gauls and those living in the northern countries are [as seen by the Turks] insensible of pleasure; it is only them that have the true smack of voluptuousness" (i.e., from sex with boys).<ref>Nicholas Chorier, ''The Dialogues of Luisa Sigea'', trans. not specified, North Hollywood, Brandon House, 1965, p. 284 (paraphrased).</ref> In sixteenth-century Algiers, according to Spanish historian Diego de Haedo (our only source), "Sodomy is honorable, because he who supports more boys (''garzones'') has more status ("es más honrado"). Men like them more than their own wives and daughters. Many of the Turks and renegades [European Christians converted to Islam], even senior, influential men ("hombres grandes y viejos"), only want boys for wives, and boast of never having had sex with a women their whole lives. Rather, they despise females and don't want to set eyes on them."<ref>"La sodomía se tiene...por honra, porque aquel es más honrado que sustenta más garçones y los celan más que las propias mujeres y hijas.... A muchos de los turcos y renegados, que con ser ya hombres s grandes y viejos, no sólo no se quieren casar con otras mujeres que estos garçones, pero se alaban no haber jamás en toda su vida conocido alguna hembra, antes las aborrecen y no quieren ver de los ojos." Quote from Diego de Haedo, ''Topografía e historia general de Argel'', 3 vols., Madrid: Sociedad de Bibliófilos Españoles, 1927-29, vol. 1, pp. 176-177. The authorship of this work is disputed.</ref>

	The Ottoman Empire (not modern Turkey) appears as a location for pedophile fiction, as in [http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/historical/sultans-favorite-boy/ "The Sultan's Favorite Boy"] (which starts with the boy-tax) and [http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/nifty/gay/adult-youth/osman-goes-to-court.html "Osman goes to Court. A Thousand and One Tales of Osman the Pedophile"]. Osman is a Turkish name.		The Ottoman Empire (not modern Turkey) appears as a location for pedophile fiction, as in [http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/historical/sultans-favorite-boy/ "The Sultan's Favorite Boy"] (which starts with the boy-tax) and [http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/nifty/gay/adult-youth/osman-goes-to-court.html "Osman goes to Court. A Thousand and One Tales of Osman the Pedophile"]. Osman is a Turkish name.

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	==Sex==		==Sex==

	Sex, in [[:Category:Islam\|Islam]], is viewed as a natural appetite, similar to hunger; if one is hungry, one needs to eat. As most of the Muslim world before it was influenced by colonizing, prudish Christians, usually no one cared about sexual behavior as long as it did not threaten public order. A man was expected to marry, and to produce and support children. Aside from that requirement, a man could sexually do pretty much whatever he wanted, and there wasn't even a need for [[secrecy]]. Prostitution was openly tolerated, though confined to designated areas, as it still is in the early twenty-first century. Nothing was considered to be wrong regarding men having sex with younger boys -- a "peccadillo" at worst <ref>Khaled El-Rouayheb, ''Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800'', University of Chicago Press, 2005, p. 7.</ref> -- and there were houses for boy prostitution, and "peg houses" where boys' anuses were systematically stretched as they sat on ~~benches~~ waiting for clients.<ref>Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey", ''International Journal of Greek Love'', vol. 1, no. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27, http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/v1n2/ijgl2txt.htm, consulted Jun 22, 2015</ref>		Sex, in [[:Category:Islam\|Islam]], is viewed as a natural appetite, similar to hunger; if one is hungry, one needs to eat. As most of the Muslim world before it was influenced by colonizing, prudish Christians, usually no one cared about sexual behavior as long as it did not threaten public order. A man was expected to marry, and to produce and support children. Aside from that requirement, a man could sexually do pretty much whatever he wanted, and there wasn't even a need for [[secrecy]]. Prostitution was openly tolerated, though confined to designated areas, as it still is in the early twenty-first century. Nothing was considered to be wrong regarding men having sex with younger boys -- a "peccadillo" at worst <ref>Khaled El-Rouayheb, ''Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800'', University of Chicago Press, 2005, p. 7.</ref> -- and there were houses for boy prostitution, and "peg houses" where boys' anuses were systematically stretched as they sat on wooden diodos attached to the seat (straight up) they used waiting for clients.<ref>Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey", ''International Journal of Greek Love'', vol. 1, no. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27, http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/v1n2/ijgl2txt.htm, consulted Jun 22, 2015</ref>

	The modern Western distinction between love (always good) and sex (only good when limited to specific relationships) did not exist. Things that we would today call "sex" (a modern, "scientific" term), they called "love".		The modern Western distinction between love (always good) and sex (only good when limited to specific relationships) did not exist. Things that we would today call "sex" (a modern, "scientific" term), they called "love".
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	==Marital sex==		==Marital sex==
	Christian Europe was, at the time, becoming more prudish - making priests live up to their vows of chastity, for example. It astonished them to think that in Islam (and the Ottoman Empire was ~~taken to be~~ Islam) men could have up to four wives, as long as they were treated equally (which seldom happened, in practice). Even more important, a man could divorce any or all of his wives whenever he wanted to, and take new ones. Since [[Mohammed]] consummated his marriage when the girl was nine (this was Aisha, and it ended up being his most successful marriage), pre-pubescent girls were not off-limits at all.		Christian Europe was, at the time, becoming more prudish -- making priests live up to their vows of chastity, for example. It astonished them to think that in Islam (and the Ottoman Empire was identified as the Islam) men could have up to four wives, as long as they were treated equally (which seldom happened, in practice). Even more important, a man could divorce any or all of his wives whenever he wanted to, and take new ones. Since [[Mohammed]] consummated his marriage when the girl was nine (this was Aisha, and it ended up being his most successful marriage), pre-pubescent girls were not off-limits at all.

	Sexual slavery was common. Christian shipping on the Mediterranean was hazardous, as officially sponsored pirates would seize ships and sell as sex slaves all the boys and girls, and the pretty women (the "fate worse than death", as European women put it). Regular, forced imports of young slaves from eastern Europe were common, and an important difference between Ottoman slavery and that in the South of the [[U.S.]] is that "the Islamic market demand for children was much greater than the American one".<ref>From the Wikipedia article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery Islamic views on slavery].</ref> Muslims could not enslave other Muslims (as contemporaneous Christians could not enslave other Christians, only "heathens"). Using Non-Muslims for one's sexual pleasure was acceptable, and even viewed as "hotter" than sex with another Muslim.		Sexual slavery was common. Christian shipping on the Mediterranean was hazardous, as officially sponsored pirates would seize ships and sell as sex slaves all the boys and girls, and the pretty women (the "fate worse than death", as European women put it). Regular, forced imports of young slaves from eastern Europe were common, and an important difference between Ottoman slavery and that in the South of the [[U.S.]] is that "the Islamic market demand for children was much greater than the American one".<ref>From the Wikipedia article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery Islamic views on slavery].</ref> Muslims could not enslave other Muslims (as contemporaneous Christians could not enslave other Christians, only "heathens"). Using Non-Muslims for one's sexual pleasure was acceptable, and even viewed as "hotter" than sex with another Muslim.
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	== Boylove in the Ottoman empire ==		== Boylove in the Ottoman empire ==
	Boylove -- which was understood to mean sex with boys -- was seen in the Ottoman empire as especially enjoyable. "The Gauls and those living in the northern countries are [as seen by the Turks] insensible of pleasure; it is only them that have the true smack of voluptuousness" (i.e., from sex with boys).<ref>Nicholas Chorier, ''The Dialogues of Luisa Sigea'', trans. not specified, North Hollywood, Brandon House, 1965, p. 284 (paraphrased).</ref> In sixteenth-century Algiers, according to Spanish historian Diego de Haedo (our only source), "Sodomy is honorable, because he who supports more boys (''garzones'') has more status ("es más honrado"). Men ~~like~~ them more than their own wives and daughters. Many of the Turks and renegades [European Christians converted to Islam], even senior, influential men ("hombres grandes y viejos"), only want boys for wives, and boast of never having had sex with a women their whole lives. Rather, they despise females and don't want to set eyes on them."<ref>"La sodomía se tiene...por honra, porque aquel es más honrado que sustenta más garçones y los celan más que las propias mujeres y hijas.... A muchos de los turcos y renegados, que con ser ya hombres s grandes y viejos, no sólo no se quieren casar con otras mujeres que estos garçones, pero se alaban no haber jamás en toda su vida conocido alguna hembra, antes las aborrecen y no quieren ver de los ojos." Quote from Diego de Haedo, ''Topografía e historia general de Argel'', 3 vols., Madrid: Sociedad de Bibliófilos Españoles, 1927-29, vol. 1, pp. 176-177. The authorship of this work is disputed.</ref>		Boylove -- which was understood to mean sex with boys -- was seen in the Ottoman empire as especially enjoyable. "The Gauls and those living in the northern countries are [as seen by the Turks] insensible of pleasure; it is only them that have the true smack of voluptuousness" (i.e., from sex with boys).<ref>Nicholas Chorier, ''The Dialogues of Luisa Sigea'', trans. not specified, North Hollywood, Brandon House, 1965, p. 284 (paraphrased).</ref> In sixteenth-century Algiers, according to Spanish historian Diego de Haedo (our only source), "Sodomy is honorable, because he who supports more boys (''garzones'') has more status ("es más honrado"). Men liked them more than their own wives and daughters. Many of the Turks and renegades [European Christians converted to Islam], even senior, influential men ("hombres grandes y viejos"), only want boys for wives, and boast of never having had sex with a women their whole lives. Rather, they despise females and don't want to set eyes on them."<ref>"La sodomía se tiene...por honra, porque aquel es más honrado que sustenta más garçones y los celan más que las propias mujeres y hijas.... A muchos de los turcos y renegados, que con ser ya hombres s grandes y viejos, no sólo no se quieren casar con otras mujeres que estos garçones, pero se alaban no haber jamás en toda su vida conocido alguna hembra, antes las aborrecen y no quieren ver de los ojos." Quote from Diego de Haedo, ''Topografía e historia general de Argel'', 3 vols., Madrid: Sociedad de Bibliófilos Españoles, 1927-29, vol. 1, pp. 176-177. The authorship of this work is disputed.</ref>

	The Ottoman Empire (not modern Turkey) appears as a location for pedophile fiction, as in [http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/historical/sultans-favorite-boy/ "The Sultan's Favorite Boy"] (which starts with the boy-tax) and [http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/nifty/gay/adult-youth/osman-goes-to-court.html "Osman goes to Court. A Thousand and One Tales of Osman the Pedophile"]. Osman is a Turkish name.		The Ottoman Empire (not modern Turkey) appears as a location for pedophile fiction, as in [http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/historical/sultans-favorite-boy/ "The Sultan's Favorite Boy"] (which starts with the boy-tax) and [http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/nifty/gay/adult-youth/osman-goes-to-court.html "Osman goes to Court. A Thousand and One Tales of Osman the Pedophile"]. Osman is a Turkish name.

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	==Sex==		==Sex==

	Sex, in [[Islam]], is viewed as a natural appetite, similar to hunger; if one is hungry, one needs to eat. As most of the Muslim world before it was influenced by colonizing, prudish Christians, usually no one cared about sexual behavior as long as it did not threaten public order. A man was expected to marry, and to produce and support children. Aside from that requirement, a man could sexually do pretty much whatever he wanted, and there wasn't even a need for [[secrecy]]. Prostitution was openly tolerated, though confined to designated areas, as it still is in the early twenty-first century. Nothing was considered to be wrong regarding men having sex with younger boys -- a "peccadillo" at worst <ref>Khaled El-Rouayheb, ''Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800'', University of Chicago Press, 2005, p. 7.</ref> -- and there were houses for boy prostitution, and "peg houses" where boys' anuses were systematically stretched as they sat on benches waiting for clients.<ref>Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey", ''International Journal of Greek Love'', vol. 1, no. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27, http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/v1n2/ijgl2txt.htm, consulted Jun 22, 2015</ref>		Sex, in [[:Category:Islam\|Islam]], is viewed as a natural appetite, similar to hunger; if one is hungry, one needs to eat. As most of the Muslim world before it was influenced by colonizing, prudish Christians, usually no one cared about sexual behavior as long as it did not threaten public order. A man was expected to marry, and to produce and support children. Aside from that requirement, a man could sexually do pretty much whatever he wanted, and there wasn't even a need for [[secrecy]]. Prostitution was openly tolerated, though confined to designated areas, as it still is in the early twenty-first century. Nothing was considered to be wrong regarding men having sex with younger boys -- a "peccadillo" at worst <ref>Khaled El-Rouayheb, ''Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800'', University of Chicago Press, 2005, p. 7.</ref> -- and there were houses for boy prostitution, and "peg houses" where boys' anuses were systematically stretched as they sat on benches waiting for clients.<ref>Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey", ''International Journal of Greek Love'', vol. 1, no. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27, http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/v1n2/ijgl2txt.htm, consulted Jun 22, 2015</ref>

	The modern Western distinction between love (always good) and sex (only good when limited to specific relationships) did not exist. Things that we would today call "sex" (a modern, "scientific" term), they called "love".		The modern Western distinction between love (always good) and sex (only good when limited to specific relationships) did not exist. Things that we would today call "sex" (a modern, "scientific" term), they called "love".

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	== Further reading ==		== Further reading ==
	* [http://web.archive.org/web/20131113174344/http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/htmfiles/ijg2p13.htm Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey," ''International Journal of Greek Love'', Vol. 1, No. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27.]		* [http://web.archive.org/web/20131113174344/http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/htmfiles/ijg2p13.htm Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey," ''International Journal of Greek Love'', Vol. 1, No. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27.] Also available at http://greek-love.com/near-east-north-africa/le-vice-turkey-pederasty.

	==References==		==References==

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	* [[Ghilman]]		* [[Ghilman]]
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			== Further reading ==
			* [http://web.archive.org/web/20131113174344/http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/htmfiles/ijg2p13.htm Jonathan Drake, "'Le Vice' in Turkey," ''International Journal of Greek Love'', Vol. 1, No. 2, 1966, pp. 13-27.]

	==References==		==References==