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	==Ethical critiques==		==Ethical critiques==
			[[File:MAN - Ánfora - Dos varones cortejan a un efebo.jpg\|thumb\|right\|Two men court an ephebe. Attic red-figure amphora by the Pig Painter, ca. 470–460 B.C. Madrid, Museo Arqueológico Nacional, 1999.99.86.]]
	The forms which pederasty took varied from one city to another, and were subject to comparison and evaluation. For example, the character of Pausanias in Plato's ''[[Symposium (dialogue)\|Symposium]]'' posits that the ideal construction of erotic relations between men and boys is the middle ground between the two extremes of, on one hand, foreign lands where such relations are forbidden altogether and, on the other hand, cities such as [[Elis]] and [[Boeotia]], where men are unskilled in speech and boys are permitted to yield uncritically. That middle ground, claimed by Pausanias for Athens and Sparta, is one where men are well versed in the art of [[rhetoric]] and boys relate critically to their suitors, choosing only the most persuasive. Thus Plato draws a relationship between political systems, erotic expression, and intellectual sophistication as reflected in the art of speaking.<ref>"Pausanias specifically links the best type of pederastic love with the art of speaking. Pausanias stresses that in the backwoods (Elis and Boetia), where men are not clever at speaking (mê sophoi legein), the boys are expected to yield without being given arguments (logoi) to persuade (peithein) them; a situation he finds reprehensible. He points out that the despot, on the other hand, despises pederasty because he has no use for philosophy; nor, we may surmise, for persuasion either. It is only in Athenian (and Spartan?) society that arguments and persuasion are crucial to erotic relationships (or, more precisely, to erotic relationships between free males)." David Allan Gilbert, "Plato's Ideal Art of Rhetoric, an Interpretation of ''Phaedrus'' 270B-272B"; Unpublished doctoral dissertation, 2002; p187 [http://dspace.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/2152/1137/1/gilbertda026.pdf]</ref>		The forms which pederasty took varied from one city to another, and were subject to comparison and evaluation. For example, the character of Pausanias in Plato's ''[[Symposium (dialogue)\|Symposium]]'' posits that the ideal construction of erotic relations between men and boys is the middle ground between the two extremes of, on one hand, foreign lands where such relations are forbidden altogether and, on the other hand, cities such as [[Elis]] and [[Boeotia]], where men are unskilled in speech and boys are permitted to yield uncritically. That middle ground, claimed by Pausanias for Athens and Sparta, is one where men are well versed in the art of [[rhetoric]] and boys relate critically to their suitors, choosing only the most persuasive. Thus Plato draws a relationship between political systems, erotic expression, and intellectual sophistication as reflected in the art of speaking.<ref>"Pausanias specifically links the best type of pederastic love with the art of speaking. Pausanias stresses that in the backwoods (Elis and Boetia), where men are not clever at speaking (mê sophoi legein), the boys are expected to yield without being given arguments (logoi) to persuade (peithein) them; a situation he finds reprehensible. He points out that the despot, on the other hand, despises pederasty because he has no use for philosophy; nor, we may surmise, for persuasion either. It is only in Athenian (and Spartan?) society that arguments and persuasion are crucial to erotic relationships (or, more precisely, to erotic relationships between free males)." David Allan Gilbert, "Plato's Ideal Art of Rhetoric, an Interpretation of ''Phaedrus'' 270B-272B"; Unpublished doctoral dissertation, 2002; p187 [http://dspace.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/2152/1137/1/gilbertda026.pdf]</ref>

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	*[[Pederasty ~~in Ancient Greece]]~~		*[[Pederasty in ancient Greece]]
	*[[Homosexuality in ancient Greece]]
	*[[The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove]]		*[[The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove]]
	*[[Friendship]]
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	Philosophy itself was a discipline practiced in an intensely [[homosocial]] environment, and many - if not all - of its practitioners also engaged in homoerotic relationships, some of a pederastic nature, others not. For example, after the deaths of Plato and of his successor, the presidency of [[the Academy]] passed from lover to beloved for the next one hundred years.<ref>"The young Polemo came to Xenocrates' class to mock, was enchanted, shed a wife, and becoming the older man's lover, inherited his post. He in turn, loved Crates, who lived with him, succeeded him, and shared his tomb. The Platonic pair entertained another Academic couple at their table, Crantor and his eromenos, Arcesilaus. So for a full century, from 339 to 240, leadership in the Academy passed from lover to beloved." ''Plato,'' by Louis Crompton in glbtq.com [http://www.glbtq.com/literature/plato,4.html Plato] on [[glbtq.com]]</ref> Of the [[Stoics]], [[Chrysippus]], [[Cleanthes]], and [[Zeno of Citium\|Zeno]] fell in love with boys.		Philosophy itself was a discipline practiced in an intensely [[homosocial]] environment, and many - if not all - of its practitioners also engaged in homoerotic relationships, some of a pederastic nature, others not. For example, after the deaths of Plato and of his successor, the presidency of [[the Academy]] passed from lover to beloved for the next one hundred years.<ref>"The young Polemo came to Xenocrates' class to mock, was enchanted, shed a wife, and becoming the older man's lover, inherited his post. He in turn, loved Crates, who lived with him, succeeded him, and shared his tomb. The Platonic pair entertained another Academic couple at their table, Crantor and his eromenos, Arcesilaus. So for a full century, from 339 to 240, leadership in the Academy passed from lover to beloved." ''Plato,'' by Louis Crompton in glbtq.com [http://www.glbtq.com/literature/plato,4.html Plato] on [[glbtq.com]]</ref> Of the [[Stoics]], [[Chrysippus]], [[Cleanthes]], and [[Zeno of Citium\|Zeno]] fell in love with boys.{{History}}

	==Chaste pederasty==		==Chaste pederasty==

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