Talk:Child sexuality - Revision history

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	:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.		:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.
	:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
	:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point though not specific to childhood sexuality. All research is biased and has an agenda of one sort or another even the better ones.... the last thing that I read that was completely unbiased was that two plus two equals four (and I have even found people willing to debate that conclusion) --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)		:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point though not specific to childhood sexuality. All research is biased and has an agenda of one sort or another, even the better ones.... the last thing that I read that was completely unbiased was that two plus two equals four (and I have even found people willing to debate that conclusion) --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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	:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.		:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.
	:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
	:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point though not specific to childhood sexuality. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)		:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point though not specific to childhood sexuality. All research is biased and has an agenda of one sort or another even the better ones.... the last thing that I read that was completely unbiased was that two plus two equals four (and I have even found people willing to debate that conclusion) --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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	:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.		:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.
	:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
	:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)		:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point though not specific to childhood sexuality. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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	:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.		:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.
	:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
			:: There was a lot of good stuff being done in Germany at the time.... see https://www.boywiki.org/en/Show_Me!_(book)#Footnotes. But really, much of the research done by developmental psychologists at the time. If you are unfamiliar with the field, Masters and Johnson is a good starting point. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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	This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality and preferences varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality and preferences varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
			:Makes sense. My rewrite was based primarily on removing User4's indirect advocative stance on legalising adult/child sex, so quality wasn't the complete objective. I did try to keep it wiki-style orientated. I myself have some fair research to do in the subject, that being why I haven't expanded so much on what's there. Most of what I did was trying to rewrite what was already written without the whole "sex is not harmful" stuff from User4 (who seems to have no end of biases and unobjective content scattered all over the place).
			:Do you happen to have any studies from the 60s and/or 70s that I might be able to read over? Given their noted lack of bias by you, they'll be good sources for me to use to add more content to the page.
			:I can understand differentiating between boys and girls too, if for nothing more than the preferences themselves differ considerably when put side-by-side (ignoring the obvious physical differences in genital regions). [[User:FalseAlias\|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias\|talk]]) 23:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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	''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''		''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''

	This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality and preferences varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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	Where it says, "''research has demonstrated''" this requires a source. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 09:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC)		Where it says, "''research has demonstrated''" this requires a source. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 09:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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	''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''		''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''

	This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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	''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''		''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''

	This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another ~~childhood~~ sexuality varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even some at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for ~~some~~. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another. Childhood sexuality varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even then, some behaviors at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for that person. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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	''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''		''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''

	This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. Another point to consider is that children are not made with a cookie cutter and what is normal for one may not be for another childhood sexuality varies as much as adult sexuality. There is no one size fits all and you can really only talk about ranges of sexual behavior and even some at the extreme ends of the spectrum may be normative for some. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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	''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''		''"A child's sexuality primarily surfaces during and after puberty, though some elements of it may appear before"''

	This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)		This is a very poorly written sentence. From a child development POV, children are born "sexual" which is what allows them to bond with the parent. Babies need close physical contact with their primary care giver or it could lead to attachment disorders later in life. Sex play with other children and sometimes even adults (which is also now labeled as abuse) is also a normal and natural part of childhood development.http://www.ncsby.org/content/overview-and-definitions What most people fail to understand when talking about childhood sexuality is that it doesn't necessarily equate to what adults consider as sex. Or in other words, the sex that they have is age appropriate. The studies and literature of the pre-sexual hysteria era esp. of the late 1960s and 70s are more insightful and less biased then the current studies that must adhere to today's political/sexual standards or face significant sanctions and repercussions. I would also include what is normal for girls vs. boys because their sexual desires become very divergent beginning in early childhood i.e what little boys want and what little girls want are two very different things. --[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|40 px\|link=Etenne]] 22:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)