Talk:Ivan Noel - Revision history

User4: /* Style guides are useful. There are a number of them available online */ new section

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Style guides are useful. There are a number of them available online: new section

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	I ''personally'' believe that all of the titles given should be in Spanish, with the English translation in parenthesis after them (that is the style usually followed in most publications, I believe). Also, I think that the film title "¡Primaria!" should include the initial Spanish-style opening exclamation mark, as I have included here. What do you think? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)		I ''personally'' believe that all of the titles given should be in Spanish, with the English translation in parenthesis after them (that is the style usually followed in most publications, I believe). Also, I think that the film title "¡Primaria!" should include the initial Spanish-style opening exclamation mark, as I have included here. What do you think? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

			== Style guides are useful. There are a number of them available online ==

			If you are serious about editing well at BoyWiki, you may want to check out this article on free on-line style guides: http://grammar.about.com/od/60essays/a/Top-Ten-Online-Style-Guides.htm [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:22, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

User4: /* Mixing Spanish film titles with English translations of the Spanish film titles */ new section

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	Yes, he lived and worked in Spain for some time (he has lived and worked in ''many'' countries), but we don't know if he applied for Spanish nationality; we don't know how his parent's nationalities affected his nationality; and we don't know what passport or passports he possesses. Are you sure that we should state that he is Spanish? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)		Yes, he lived and worked in Spain for some time (he has lived and worked in ''many'' countries), but we don't know if he applied for Spanish nationality; we don't know how his parent's nationalities affected his nationality; and we don't know what passport or passports he possesses. Are you sure that we should state that he is Spanish? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

			== Mixing Spanish film titles with English translations of the Spanish film titles ==

			I ''personally'' believe that all of the titles given should be in Spanish, with the English translation in parenthesis after them (that is the style usually followed in most publications, I believe). Also, I think that the film title "¡Primaria!" should include the initial Spanish-style opening exclamation mark, as I have included here. What do you think? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

User4: /* "...is a Spanish..." */ new section

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	:: Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out the other-language Wikipedia articles... I think the reason for the English Wikipedia article deletion is bogus--it's actually because he is suspected of being a BoyLover by certain Wikipedians, and they don't like to see his films publicized. I've seen that others (for example, Theo Sandfort) have had their articles deleted from the English-language Wikipedia for (so-called) "lack of notability" as well, while articles on them in other-language versions of Wikipedia have been retained.		:: Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out the other-language Wikipedia articles... I think the reason for the English Wikipedia article deletion is bogus--it's actually because he is suspected of being a BoyLover by certain Wikipedians, and they don't like to see his films publicized. I've seen that others (for example, Theo Sandfort) have had their articles deleted from the English-language Wikipedia for (so-called) "lack of notability" as well, while articles on them in other-language versions of Wikipedia have been retained.
	:: Of course, being labeled a "pedophile" has been the "kiss of death" for many professionals, so I can see the reason some would wish to protect Noel's reputation. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)		:: Of course, being labeled a "pedophile" has been the "kiss of death" for many professionals, so I can see the reason some would wish to protect Noel's reputation. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

			== "...is a Spanish..." ==

			Yes, he lived and worked in Spain for some time (he has lived and worked in ''many'' countries), but we don't know if he applied for Spanish nationality; we don't know how his parent's nationalities affected his nationality; and we don't know what passport or passports he possesses. Are you sure that we should state that he is Spanish? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 04:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

User4: corrected the indenting

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corrected the indenting

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	:: Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out the other-language Wikipedia articles... I think the reason for the English Wikipedia article deletion is bogus--it's actually because he is suspected of being a BoyLover by certain Wikipedians, and they don't like to see his films publicized. I've seen that others (for example, Theo Sandfort) have had their articles deleted from the English-language Wikipedia for (so-called) "lack of notability" as well, while articles on them in other-language versions of Wikipedia have been retained.		:: Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out the other-language Wikipedia articles... I think the reason for the English Wikipedia article deletion is bogus--it's actually because he is suspected of being a BoyLover by certain Wikipedians, and they don't like to see his films publicized. I've seen that others (for example, Theo Sandfort) have had their articles deleted from the English-language Wikipedia for (so-called) "lack of notability" as well, while articles on them in other-language versions of Wikipedia have been retained.
	: Of course, being labeled a "pedophile" has been the "kiss of death" for many professionals, so I can see the reason some would wish to protect Noel's reputation. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)		:: Of course, being labeled a "pedophile" has been the "kiss of death" for many professionals, so I can see the reason some would wish to protect Noel's reputation. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

User4 at 05:51, 2 May 2016

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	:Thanks so much for all your research [[User:User4\|User4]]. You are a stud. I'm making tons of changes based on your findings. I'm really liking the community here at boywiki. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 05:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)		:Thanks so much for all your research [[User:User4\|User4]]. You are a stud. I'm making tons of changes based on your findings. I'm really liking the community here at boywiki. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 05:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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			:: No problem! You're very welcome! If you want, I can have things from the above links translated from Spanish to English. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

	== Foreign-language film titles translated into English ==		== Foreign-language film titles translated into English ==
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	Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


	:I understand absolutely. I am a big fan of Noel and wouldn't want to make him feel uncomfortable. There is however a [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel German], [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel French], [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel Spanish] and [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel Italian] Wikipedia page on him already. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia wouldn't delete his article if he had complained. They seem to take the stance that it doesn't matter what the person in the article thinks, it only matters if it should be included in an encyclopedia or not. I'm definitely more in favor of the stance you are taking here in respecting the subject's wishes. Anyways, The history on the English Wikipedia entry says it was deleted due to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Iv%C3%A1n_Noel lack of notability.]		:I understand absolutely. I am a big fan of Noel and wouldn't want to make him feel uncomfortable. There is however a [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel German], [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel French], [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel Spanish] and [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel Italian] Wikipedia page on him already. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia wouldn't delete his article if he had complained. They seem to take the stance that it doesn't matter what the person in the article thinks, it only matters if it should be included in an encyclopedia or not. I'm definitely more in favor of the stance you are taking here in respecting the subject's wishes. Anyways, The history on the English Wikipedia entry says it was deleted due to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Iv%C3%A1n_Noel lack of notability.]

	Thanks [[Etenne]]. Really great community of editors here. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 05:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)		Thanks [[Etenne]]. Really great community of editors here. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 05:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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			:: Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out the other-language Wikipedia articles... I think the reason for the English Wikipedia article deletion is bogus--it's actually because he is suspected of being a BoyLover by certain Wikipedians, and they don't like to see his films publicized. I've seen that others (for example, Theo Sandfort) have had their articles deleted from the English-language Wikipedia for (so-called) "lack of notability" as well, while articles on them in other-language versions of Wikipedia have been retained.
			: Of course, being labeled a "pedophile" has been the "kiss of death" for many professionals, so I can see the reason some would wish to protect Noel's reputation. [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Thomasmann: /* Ivan Noel */ response to Etenne

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Ivan Noel: response to Etenne

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	Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


			:I understand absolutely. I am a big fan of Noel and wouldn't want to make him feel uncomfortable. There is however a [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel German], [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel French], [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel Spanish] and [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Noel Italian] Wikipedia page on him already. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia wouldn't delete his article if he had complained. They seem to take the stance that it doesn't matter what the person in the article thinks, it only matters if it should be included in an encyclopedia or not. I'm definitely more in favor of the stance you are taking here in respecting the subject's wishes. Anyways, The history on the English Wikipedia entry says it was deleted due to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Iv%C3%A1n_Noel lack of notability.]

			Thanks [[Etenne]]. Really great community of editors here. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 05:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Thomasmann: reply to User4 about all his updates

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reply to User4 about all his updates

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	More information about him (including many quotes from him) and about the production of his films (all in Spanish) may be found here: http://www.semanarioprimerdia.com.ar/search/label/ivan%20noel?&max-results=7 [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 03:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		More information about him (including many quotes from him) and about the production of his films (all in Spanish) may be found here: http://www.semanarioprimerdia.com.ar/search/label/ivan%20noel?&max-results=7 [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 03:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

			:Thanks so much for all your research [[User:User4\|User4]]. You are a stud. I'm making tons of changes based on your findings. I'm really liking the community here at boywiki. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 05:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

	== Foreign-language film titles translated into English ==		== Foreign-language film titles translated into English ==

Thomasmann: /* Foreign-language film titles translated into English */

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Foreign-language film titles translated into English

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	I think we should follow that style--I think it is much preferable to the style used in this article		I think we should follow that style--I think it is much preferable to the style used in this article
	*En tu ausencia (aka In Your Absence) Comments? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		*En tu ausencia (aka In Your Absence) Comments? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

			:Good suggestion, I will change it now. [[User:Thomasmann\|Thomasmann]] ([[User talk:Thomasmann\|talk]]) 04:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

	== Ivan Noel ==		== Ivan Noel ==

	Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Etenne: /* Ivan Noel */ new section

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Ivan Noel: new section

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	I think we should follow that style--I think it is much preferable to the style used in this article		I think we should follow that style--I think it is much preferable to the style used in this article
	*En tu ausencia (aka In Your Absence) Comments? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		*En tu ausencia (aka In Your Absence) Comments? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

			== Ivan Noel ==

			Ivan Noel tends to be a very private person and does not like it when articles focus on him rather then his work and music. I know that he requested that a similar entry such as this be removed from Wikipedia. As a public figure, I understand that he should expect this type of recognition and that is why I am willing to let this article remain so long as Mr. Noel does not complain. Ivan Noel has been very gracious with BoyWiki in allowing us to use the graphics and movies stills from his movies and I wish to maintain a good working relationship with the man and not antagonize him.--[[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png\|50 px\|link=Etenne]] 12:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

User4: /* Foreign-language film titles translated into English */ new section

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Foreign-language film titles translated into English: new section

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	More information about him (including many quotes from him) and about the production of his films (all in Spanish) may be found here: http://www.semanarioprimerdia.com.ar/search/label/ivan%20noel?&max-results=7 [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 03:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)		More information about him (including many quotes from him) and about the production of his films (all in Spanish) may be found here: http://www.semanarioprimerdia.com.ar/search/label/ivan%20noel?&max-results=7 [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 03:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

			== Foreign-language film titles translated into English ==

			Wikipedia uses this style:
			*''En tu ausencia'' (English: ''In Your Absence'')
			:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_tu_ausencia
			I think we should follow that style--I think it is much preferable to the style used in this article
			*En tu ausencia (aka In Your Absence) Comments? [[User:User4\|User4]] ([[User talk:User4\|talk]]) 05:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)