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Lysander: Lysander moved page Talk:SqueakBox to Talk:Wikipedian

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Lysander moved page Talk:SqueakBox to Talk:Wikipedian

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Lysander: /* Real name */ re

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	He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
	:This is not our way. Plus, I am still not convinced that this is something relevant to boylove and even more so since I found out that this has already be deleted once before for relevance 8n 2009. Right now, I am of the mind that if you do not want to merge this with the Wikipedia entry, that it would be best to delete it altogether. I understand your perspective on this and why you think it should be included but it feels wrong to me, and I have to go with that. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 00:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		:This is not our way. Plus, I am still not convinced that this is something relevant to boylove and even more so since I found out that this has already be deleted once before for relevance 8n 2009. Right now, I am of the mind that if you do not want to merge this with the Wikipedia entry, that it would be best to delete it altogether. I understand your perspective on this and why you think it should be included but it feels wrong to me, and I have to go with that. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 00:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
			::There's going to be a tendency toward mission creep on BoyWiki because there's no other place for the content. [https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=SqueakBox&year=&month=-1 Encyclopedia Dramatica] (or, to be more specific, Michaeldsuarez, another person of interest) deleted it from that wiki. There simply isn't any other wiki on the Internet that's friendly to Wikipedia refugees who, after having been kicked off for child protection violations, want to plead their case and have a place to collaborate on their deleted content. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 01:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Etenne: /* Real name */

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	He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
			:This is not our way. Plus, I am still not convinced that this is something relevant to boylove and even more so since I found out that this has already be deleted once before for relevance 8n 2009. Right now, I am of the mind that if you do not want to merge this with the Wikipedia entry, that it would be best to delete it altogether. I understand your perspective on this and why you think it should be included but it feels wrong to me, and I have to go with that. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 00:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Lysander: /* Proposed for deletion */

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	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
			:::::Yeah, he deleted [https://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Bigham&page=&year=&month=-1 several dozen articles]. Some of those might be ripe for review. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

	== Real name ==		== Real name ==

	He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Lysander: /* Real name */ new section

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	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

			== Real name ==

			He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Etenne: /* Proposed for deletion */

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	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted ~~deleted~~ by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Etenne at 22:27, 15 March 2015

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	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
			::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Lysander at 22:01, 15 March 2015

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	::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. It's important for the persecuted and their sympathizers to tell the story from their perspective. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after (or during) any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. It's important for the persecuted and their sympathizers to tell the story from their perspective. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Lysander at 21:55, 15 March 2015

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	::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. It's important for the persecuted and their sympathizers to tell the story from their perspective. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Lysander at 21:54, 15 March 2015

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	::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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	He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
	:This is not our way. Plus, I am still not convinced that this is something relevant to boylove and even more so since I found out that this has already be deleted once before for relevance 8n 2009. Right now, I am of the mind that if you do not want to merge this with the Wikipedia entry, that it would be best to delete it altogether. I understand your perspective on this and why you think it should be included but it feels wrong to me, and I have to go with that. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 00:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		:This is not our way. Plus, I am still not convinced that this is something relevant to boylove and even more so since I found out that this has already be deleted once before for relevance 8n 2009. Right now, I am of the mind that if you do not want to merge this with the Wikipedia entry, that it would be best to delete it altogether. I understand your perspective on this and why you think it should be included but it feels wrong to me, and I have to go with that. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 00:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
			::There's going to be a tendency toward mission creep on BoyWiki because there's no other place for the content. [https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=SqueakBox&year=&month=-1 Encyclopedia Dramatica] (or, to be more specific, Michaeldsuarez, another person of interest) deleted it from that wiki. There simply isn't any other wiki on the Internet that's friendly to Wikipedia refugees who, after having been kicked off for child protection violations, want to plead their case and have a place to collaborate on their deleted content. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 01:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::BTW, I hadn't realized this before but this page was a recreation of a page that had been previously deleted by the former curator in 2009 --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 22:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
			:::::Yeah, he deleted [https://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Bigham&page=&year=&month=-1 several dozen articles]. Some of those might be ripe for review. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

	== Real name ==		== Real name ==

	He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)		He did create an account under his real name, so he pretty much outed himself.. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 00:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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	::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. It's important for the persecuted and their sympathizers to tell the story from their perspective. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after (or during) any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. It's important for the persecuted and their sympathizers to tell the story from their perspective. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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	::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. It's important for the persecuted and their sympathizers to tell the story from their perspective. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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	::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::::::::That's fine. A merge is acceptable. We might want to split it off into a separate article, [[Wikipedian]] or [[anti-boylove Wikipedian]] or something. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 20:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		To give you a bit of my perspective on things (and this is certainly not shared by all of the wiki council), I see BoyWiki (in part) as a place for young BL and people wishing to learn about boylove to come and find out more about themselves by understanding those that came before them. We can't be dominated by the bad of this age, which is a brief moment in history compared to what has come before. BoyWiki needs to have a balance between what is and what was. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		:True, but the solution is usually to add more positivity rather than to get rid of negativity. Wikipedia adds articles about inspiring figures to balance out the coverage of the Adolf Hitlers of the world. We can't just ignore those demagogic figures and fail to learn the lessons from their rise to power. Also, after any persecution of this magnitude, people will ask "How? Why?" and this makes it easier to answer that question. [[User:Lysander\|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
	::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::Also at the risk of being a pessimist, humanity has already failed that lesson and failed it badly.--[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

	::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)		::: Also A good thing to know about me as an editor is that while I am not a formally trained historian, when I got my under graduate degree, I had enough credits to have a double minor in both history and sociology. --[[User:Etenne\|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne\|talk]]) 21:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)