https://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Child sex tourism - Revision history2024-03-28T17:57:37ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.41.0https://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18242&oldid=prevLysander: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T20:27:59Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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</table>Lysanderhttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18239&oldid=prevEtenne: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T20:04:02Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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</table>Etennehttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18237&oldid=prevLysander: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:55:20Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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</table>Lysanderhttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18236&oldid=prevEtenne: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:53:01Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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</table>Etennehttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18235&oldid=prevLysander: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:52:08Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Is it outside the realm of possibility that a boy might prefer no-strings-attached sex to a relationship? Or that, if an adult is only going to be in town for a little while, the boy might still prefer to have a short-term sexual relationship than miss the opportunity entirely? It seems like there's an assumption that a short-term relationship will lead to the boy's feeling bad about being abandoned, while the adult blissfully goes his way and doesn't miss him; and so therefore the adult has acted selfishly. Is there evidence to suggest that this assumption is valid? [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 19:44, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Is it outside the realm of possibility that a boy might prefer no-strings-attached sex to a relationship? Or that, if an adult is only going to be in town for a little while, the boy might still prefer to have a short-term sexual relationship than miss the opportunity entirely? It seems like there's an assumption that a short-term relationship will lead to the boy's feeling bad about being abandoned, while the adult blissfully goes his way and doesn't miss him; and so therefore the adult has acted selfishly. Is there evidence to suggest that this assumption is valid? <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">We could hypothesize that sometimes the adult will get emotionally attached and miss the boy more than the boy misses him, especially if the boy was just using him as a source of material gifts. </ins>[[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 19:44, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
</table>Lysanderhttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18233&oldid=prevLysander: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:49:17Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Lysanderhttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18232&oldid=prevLysander: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:44:55Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Lysanderhttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18231&oldid=prevLysander: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:44:24Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Lysanderhttps://www.boywiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Child_sex_tourism&diff=18227&oldid=prevEtenne: /* Morally reprehensible? */2015-03-09T19:35:23Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Morally reprehensible?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What would be the reasons why boylovers would view child sex tourism as morally reprehensible? Would it be any different if an adult were to have a sexual relationship with a poverty-stricken minor who lived in the same first-world country? [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 19:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What would be the reasons why boylovers would view child sex tourism as morally reprehensible? Would it be any different if an adult were to have a sexual relationship with a poverty-stricken minor who lived in the same first-world country? [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 19:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Yes, absolutely. That is not what boylove is about. See https://www.boywiki.org/en/Dave_Riegel "The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove" that is a good place to start. There is some disagreement (because we are BL's and love to argue with each other) I think most BL's would agree that simply using a boy for sex is "reprehensible" if you have no commitment to his well being in the long term. I am sure that user4 could explain this to you better then me or at least add to it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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