View source for Talk:BoyLovers vs. "Normals" - A comprehensive list of the differences between the two

The claims in this article are 100% accurate. Citations are needed, which may be found by accessing articles found at ipce.info, at newgon wiki, as well as in other sources. As BoyWiki is a cooperative effort, surely other editors will soon be able to invest the time needed to do the research and then to add the necessary citations. Interested editors could begin here: https://web.archive.org/web/20111108195112/http://newgon.com/wiki/Research:_Psychopathy_and_abnormal_Psychology [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 19:19, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:The fact that you felt the need to add this disclaimer indicates to me that you knew I would have a problem with it when you posted it. The way it is now is simply propaganda editorial  --[[Etenne]]  [[File:BLSmileyface.png|50 px|link=Etenne]] 22:40, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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::Sorry, but I fail to see how a ''true statement'', but one without supporting "references," becomes "propoganda", while a ''true statement'' with (seemingly appropriate) "references" ''suddenly becomes something other than "propoganda".'' Perhaps you could explain this paradox to me? (Some day I'm going to take the hour or two necessary to carefully explain to you how the "reference" game works--and how it is often abused. You don't seem at all familiar with it.) [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 01:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

:::Take a look at this:
:::*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_work
:::Note that at the ''very first'' "reference" you find the remarks "[not in citation given][unreliable source?]"
::::"Ah!," Etenne says, but the statement made has a ''reference''!"
:::Yes. And the references is absolute ''crap''. You ''really'' need to study up a little more on "the reference game." NOTE: I say "the reference game" where by "reference" I mean "citation". [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 02:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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::::"The Ombudsman: Verification of Citations: Fawlty Towers of Knowledge?" will begin to give you some idea of the problems found in citations:
::::*http://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/pdf/10.1287/inte.1070.0317
:::: I have several books somewhere which give many more reasons that citations are not to be depended on. I have those books. Somewhere, buried deep in my library... [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 03:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::"''Sorry, but I fail to see how a true statement, but one without supporting "references," becomes "propaganda"'' I realize that you believe it is a true statement(s) and I am prepared to reserve judgement until you have finished more. Keeping in mind that a well written encyclopedic entry should present the facts and let the reader draw their own conclusions. Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to some well placed propaganda and even some limited editorializing nor do I disallow personal research if it is done correctly and based on accepted research methodology, and has been peer reviewed. I would not want to disallow these types of entries completely because if somebody wished to spend several month of their life researching and developing these types of topics, I am not opposed to having them on BoyWiki. As it is, my impression is that this is simply an opinion piece more suitable to a post on a message board then an encyclopedic entry --[[Etenne]]  [[File:BLSmileyface.png|50 px|link=Etenne]] 14:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

:::::: I understand your point of view. Perhaps you could help me by directing me to exactly where I can find all "the facts," (you seem to be disputing "the facts" that I stated) so I may include them? Thanks. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 03:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

== Maybe remove this? ==

Given the unfinished nature of the content and the earlier discussion/argument between Etenne and User4, I think this article has very little value as wiki content and I think it should be removed as a result. The similarities or differences between boylovers and "normals" are of non-interest to boylovers and is a very poorly research area last I was aware. There is little cultural or historical relevance to boylove ("Please ask yourself before hitting the save button" prompted this answer). I think the article serves to try force acceptance based on information that is incomplete at best, and while I commend the efforts I feel this article has no real value on this wiki. [[User:FalseAlias|FalseAlias]] ([[User talk:FalseAlias|talk]]) 12:23, 25 October 2018 (UTC)