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Children (minors under the "legal age" of consent) cannot give informed consent to engage in sexual activity with an adult until they understand the complete consequences of doing so.

Below is an outline of a situation which would require advisories necessary so that a child can give fully informed consent. It is given as a dialogue between an adult male BoyLover, and an eleven-year-old boy who is his "young friend".

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"Well, Billy, wrestling on the floor with our shirts off was really fun, wasn't it!"

"Sure was!"

"Heh, I've got an idea. How about trying something else that is really fun, too?

"Sure. What are ya thinking of?"

"Well, it involves another kind of touching. It's where you lie down, and I touch you in some special ways. Want to try it?"

"It won't hurt, will it?"

"No--of course not! I wouldn't do anything that would hurt you!"

"Then, OK--let's do it!"

"Fine. But there are a few things I have to advise you (that means tell you) of, first, before you say "Yes":

"OK--shoot!"

"Well, I am going to begin by touching your arms, your shoulders, and your chest.


"If you do not object, I will then touch your stomach


"if you still do not object, then I will touch you a bit lower


"if I touch you a bit lower, and you still do not object, I will touch your genitals (that means your dick and balls)


"if I touch your dick, you will almost definitely get an erection (that means your dick will get hard)


"if your dick gets hard when I touch it, then you will have very strong pleasurable feelings



"if you still do not object, and I continue to touch your dick, you may then have an orgasm (that means you'll have a really really really strong and pleasurable feeling, maybe one you have never had before, but that I promise you, you will really really enjoy it!)



"if you do have an orgasm, you may question your sexual identity



"if you do question your sexual identity, you may require reassurance from me (or others) that you will not become homosexual from being touched and then orgasming that way


"If your mother finds out that I touched your dick, she may become angry and not allow you to see me any more


"she may make a report to the police that I touched your dick


"if she makes a report to the police, the police will become angry, and will want to talk to you


"if the police want to talk to you, you can agree to talk to them, or not agree to talk to them


"if you agree to talk to them, then anything you tell them about me touching your dick will make them ask ever more questions



"the police will then say that I am a "monster" and that I have to be stopped from ever touching another boy the way I touched you, and that they need your help to stop me from doing it again



"the police will threaten you



"the police will say they'll tell your parents that you are homosexual (they'll do that, anyway, even if you do "talk")



"after the police tell your parents, they will be even more angry at you



"they may kick you out of your house, and never want to see you ever again



"the police will say they'll tell all your friends that you are homosexual (they'll do that, anyway, even if you do "talk")



"after the police tell all your friends at school, all your friends will tease you, and bully you, and call you "gay," "pervert," "homo," and they won't ever talk to you or play with you ever again



"the police will tell you that if you don't tell them what they want to know, that



"they will keep you in a room and keep talking to you



"that you can't have anything to eat until you "talk"



"that you can't use the toilet until you "talk" (you may even have to wet your pants, which is embarrassing)



"you won't be able to go home until you do tell them what they want



"if you do talk to them then this will mean that you can never see me again (except maybe once in court)



"I will be arrested and put in prison for many years



"you will be put in "treatment," and forced to see a psychologist once or twice a week for months or maybe for years



"the therapist will tell you that you were hurt by my touching you



"if you say that you were not hurt by my touching you, she will think you are lying.



"if she thinks you are lying, then she will put more pressure on you to make you believe that I hurt you



"she will tell you that I am a "monster"



"she will say that I have to be stopped from ever touching another boy the way I touched you



"she will make you feel "dirty" and "abnormal" because I touched you



"she'll tell you that it is really really bad to let someone older than you touch you



"if you argue with her, she will put more pressure on you



"she will tell you that "until you understand you cannot be healed"



"if you argue with her that I didn't hurt you, she will put even more pressure on you



"until you agree with what the therapist says, you will be forced to continue seeing the therapist until you do agree with everything the therapist tells you



"when you finally agree (which you will have to, if you want the therapy to stop)



"you will then begin to believe that I am a "monster"



"you will then hate me



"you will then regret having ever met me



"you will then worry even more that you might now be a "homosexual" because you liked it when I touched you



"if you tell the therapist you're worried about becoming homosexual, then you will have to have even more therapy



"this will be a new and different form of therapy, and may continue for a long long time


"if the police want to talk to you, and you do not agree to talk to them nothing bad will happen.


"If your mother never finds out that I touched your dick, she won't become angry and you can still come to visit me


"If no one ever finds out that I touched your dick, then it will just stay our secret, and--if you want--then I'll do it again. If you don't want me to touch your dick, then I won't do it again.

"OK. Now that you know what might happen, do you still want to try that something else that I said is really fun, too?

"Uh... hmm... it looks like none of that bad stuff could ever happen as long as I never tell anyone that you touched me, right?"

"Yes, that's right. None of that bad stuff would ever happen to you."

"Then, OK--let's do it! You're my best friend, and I'll keep my mouth shut about you forever and ever!"

"Well, if that's what you really want, then I guess we can try it, right?"

"Right!"

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