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| *"The documents available through the links below are provided for the use of researchers and scholars who might not be able to find the originals in libraries or elsewhere. '''It is assumed that all materials linked here are in the Public Domain, unless noted otherwise'''." (emphasis added)
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| :... then can we reproduce those materials on BW? [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 23:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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| | *Names of topics and topic categories should be singular, normally corresponding to the name of a BoyWiki. article. Examples: "Law" (which represents a body of knowledge), "France", "George W. Bush". |
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| ::Could you link me to an example where other wiki's are doing this? So I can learn how they do it before I decide if we can do it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 22:10, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Well, it's not a wiki, but it's a site by Dr Gerald Jones, who is an open BL and has written extensively about the BL "problem". His main page is:
| | However, I am willing to hear counter arguments to this practice or suggestions before deciding what the policy should be --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 13:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| :::He has had his site for 8 years, and there has been only one complaint -- about reproducing a certain set of materials -- so he just removed them from his site. He has had ''no other problems'' about any of the other materials in 8 years even though the antis would ''just love''to have an excuse to "get him". [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 22:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::Cool, but I really need to know how other wikis handle this, particularly Wikipedia. '''Maybe Lysander will know?''' I need to be able to see some kind of policy that allows this or some indication that this is an accepted and common practice on wikis. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 22:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::The more I think about it, this is likely not consistent with [[TOS#6._Licensing_of_Content| BoyWiki's TOC]] that wiki content be free and open licensed (unless your contribution is in the public domain). So I am thinking that we can't allow it... unless someone can show me that there is a provision for doing it. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 22:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | | :Just yesterday I noticed that Wikipedia has categories with a singular title, e.g. [[wikipedia:Category:Vagina]]. Also, there are some plural article titles, e.g.[[wikipedia:Jews]]. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 15:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| | ::You can't figure out what those two (obvious, at least, to me) errors are due to? Uh... You certainly make up in glibness what you lack in perspicacity. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 02:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC) |
| | | :::Enlighten me. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 03:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC) |
| I hadn't realized you'd been part of boylover culture for a long time. (I was trying to find a nice way of saying "you're an old-timer") I was thinking, the way to get at the truth sometimes is to look at what was going on around the time that new prohibitions were imposed. For example, what were people saying about pedophilia, adult-child sex, and child porn just before, during, and after 1977? What counter-arguments to the new legislation were raised before it became impossible to argue for that legislation's defeat or repeal without being denounced and shunned? There's usually useful information in the record from those moments in history. People made sure that their objections got recorded for people like us to read later. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 03:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
| | ::::Hey! You didn't enlighten me about what those two errors are due to. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 04:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| :: Actually, commentary made before/during/after the introduction of various laws/prohibitions ''is'' available, but unfortunately, not very widely. Are you looking for such information? If so, which specific laws interest you? [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 10:41, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :::I'm fascinated with the history of the pedophilia/age-of-consent-reform movement, and with the political/social/cultural background surrounding major changes in legislation (for example, the banning of child porn). Also, I'm interested in how it came to be that dissident views on these topics were silenced and became impossible to express without being ostracized. I'm also interested in other cultures that look at these issues without the preconceived notions that have come to dominate the discussion in the U.S. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 18:28, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | |
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| :::: The Problem with the early internet is most of that information did not get saved. And of course, there were no Wiki's to collect and preserver that information. That is not to say all that info is completely lost but it is very had to get to. As many different people saved different things or have knowledge of different things. The hard part is getting them to share or let loose of that info. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 21:50, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::: @ Lysander: I could explain it all to you, but it would be a book-length explanation. Hey, now ''there's'' an idea... Actually, I already ''have'' some books on the subject(s), but they usually intersperse facts with fiction about ChildLove, and all of them are from "The Axis of Evil" cultures (the anglophones). Anyway, have you checked out this site: http://www.marti2u.keepandshare.com ? [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 22:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::: @ Etenne: Yes, that's true. And archive.org has excluded almost all of the good sites, even though they have copies of them. '''''Bastards!''''' And individuals don't want to share the information they have for fear of giving out personal details that may lead to them being "outed". You have to be ''so, so careful'' these days. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 22:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| You know, you've got around '''270''' more entries in Dates to do...
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| Did you know that is possible for you to do ''all the entries'' '''''at once''''' for all the entries you are doing in Dates. You could do them in a text editor, then import them ''all at once'' into BW. You could save ''a lot of time'' doing that. What do you think? (and could you ''please'' respond to my other comments, etc.? I know you're busy, but I'm trying to give suggestions that will ''fix'' that! Thanks!) [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 13:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :Yes, I will get around to responding to your questions (you have to let me finsh my coffee first :)... however sometimes some of the questions you ask me require more thought, sometimes I simply don't know the answer, and somethings are simply not in my control to change. Even if you offered a large cash donation to BoyWiki, all the tech. people are busy on another project so anything that requires adjustments in the wiki software such as adding extensions ect, is simply not going to happen. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 13:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::User4, you can always resurrect ChildWiki on your own.. I'm just sayin'. Then you would have control. You gotta put your money and time where your mouth is, if you want stuff done.. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 00:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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| == Could you post the entire list you are posting information from in my "draft" thingy under my nick? ==
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| RE: The list that you are posting information on in Dates.
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| Could you post the entire list in my "draft" thingy under my nick (User4/draft)? I'd like to look at it. Thanks! [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 14:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
| | I was glad to read your message on BoyChat and to see you're back. Then I thought: is there any hope left that the French BoyWiki will survive? :-/ |
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| :No, it is set up as an HTML file... date/page by page. All I can tell is that it was last modified in 2003... I don't know by whom or even why it was added into the folder that contains the BoyWiki council board. However, I do believe I know which tech. guy was working on BoyWiki way back then and if I happened to run into him, I will ask. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 14:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
| | Bron disappeared, I don't know when, why nor where. So did the French tech Pinocchio, which is a great loss. Some rare contributors obstinately continued creating pages on the French wiki between 2015 and 2019. But now I think they are disheartened because of the recent and sudden software change, that ruined all the formatting we had made on a lot of pages (thanks to Pinocchio's coding extensions). |
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| | Now it seems that the Council's page doesn't work anymore -- or am I wrong? |
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| :: Couldn't you load the file in a text editor (like Notepad) and then just put <nowiki> "<nowiki>"</nowiki> at the beginning of the file, and <nowiki> "</nowiki>"</nowiki> at the end of it, then copy the entire contents from the page you are editing, and just paste it into a message somewhere? Or, anyway, if you just post the file, I can look at the "page source" and see the whole thing. Some say I'm kinda good at .HTML... but what do ''they'' know? [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 14:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :::To do that wouldn't I need sftp access to download the whole folder? (I am simply your humble en.boywiki curator, I don't have that kind of access).... this is beginning to sound like work that is above my pay grade :) --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 14:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | | [[User:Caprineus|Caprineus]] ([[User talk:Caprineus|talk]]) 21:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC) |
| | :I categorized all the daily pages of the French Agora, from December 7, 2008 to July 9, 2014 (most of them were difficult to find before this categorization): [https://www.boywiki.org/fr/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Agora Agora] |
| | :Now everybody can see the really tough job that had been made by many contributors of the French BoyWiki, especially by the tech Pinocchio. It is not acceptable that such a job is destroyed after every update or server change, as exposed here: [https://www.boywiki.org/fr/BoyWiki:Agora/28_septembre_2020 Modifications intempestives] (written more than eight months ago – nobody even bothered to answer). |
| | :But do French-speaking writings matter?... :-/ |
| | :[[User:Caprineus|Caprineus]] ([[User talk:Caprineus|talk]]) 13:55, 19 June 2021 (UTC) |
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| ::::Are we talking about just ''one'' .HTML file, or many? | | :"But do French-speaking writings matter?" Well, I suppose that depends on who you ask. I would hope they matter to other French-speaking people and writers. I still don't have e-mail yet. Yeah, the upgrades do mess things up a bit but there is no way around that. |
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| ::::If it's just ''one'' file, then don't worry - it's really easy! I assume you can load the .HTML file in your browser, right? Then do so, and right-click on the page, choose "view page source", then when that opens, press CONTROL + A to select all, then CONTROL + C to copy it, then open: | | ::Thank you for answering. |
| :::: https://www.boywiki.org/en/ARTICLETEMPORARY | | ::The true problem is: when Wikipedia runs an update of MediaWiki, all features already installed are kept and perform correctly; but when BoyWiki is updated, almost all features created by a tech are suppressed. Why? |
| ::::and past it there. Then put the <nowiki> "<nowiki>"</nowiki> at the ''beginning'' of the article, and <nowiki> "</nowiki>"</nowiki> at the ''end'' of it, then save it! See? Easy as pie! [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 15:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
| | ::This is not "messing things up a bit", but destroying things a lot. :-( As I said before, when contributors see this, they are disheartened. |
| | ::I hope you can contact somebody who steps in on this wrong update process. As for me, I know nobody, and can do nothing: my only competence is to write about cultural boy-love topics. If "there is no way around" to keep my job in a good state and appearance, well... I will finally recognize that I was wrong to spend so much time and energy for it. :-((( |
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| ::::If it is ''many'' files, then it is a little more difficult, depending on how many files we are talking about. I can explain that if need be... [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 15:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | | :[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] |
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| :::::Yes, Please explain--[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 15:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::::Well, ''part'' of the explanation was in the file you deleted. There are still things you can do, using tools like FDM, but we had not gotten to that point yet. Using FDM is ''still'' an option, and combined with the information which you deleted, would fix your problem. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 20:31, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| == Deleting things which are jointly being worked on ==
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| The stuff on ARTICLETEMPORARY is "a work in progress" - I'm still trying to find those materials, and I need the info on that page.
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| ''Fortunately'' (''this'' time) I had a copy in my browser cache, so there is no need to undelete it.
| | :: yes you were absolutely right, that worked. Now, any guesses on getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work? |
| | [[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png|40 px|link=Etenne]] 20:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC) |
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| BUT -- ''please'', in the future, when someone else (other than just you) is working on something, please ''don't'' delete it without checking with the other person or people, OK? Doing so is a bit abrupt, and it might be viewed by many as just a bit "less-that-polite," don't you think? [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 18:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :What happened to userspace? [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 19:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | | Regarding getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work, can you post an example page or description of what the problem is? I can spend sometime on the Internet trying to track it down and report back if I find anything replicated. |
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| ::I am really not clear on what the "userspace" is, or how it works. Actually, I have ''no idea at all'' about what that means. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 19:18, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :::In other words, put it in [[User:User4/ARTICLETEMPORARY]]. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 19:34, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::We were working on it (and I still haven't got a handle on how to use "userspace" correctly), when Etenne deleted it without giving me any notice, and before I had the chance to do anything with it. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 20:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
| | Hi Etenne, I am happy that you are happy with my work! I know that I can put pages into categories! |
| :::::How naughty. Where's the wooden spoon? [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 00:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::: I was thinking we could make him kneel on a ruler for, say, the next year or so. <big>Or worse, make him study the difference between ''hosting'' material on a site, and merely ''linking'' to material ''on other sites'' (which is absolutely perfectly totally completely legal and acceptable, but he does not seem to understand that yet.</big> ;-) [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 07:53, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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| How do I create the category? [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 07:47, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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| EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE is organized simply by alphabetizing the article entries, '''''NOT''''' by dividing entries into '''''ARBITRARY SEPARATE CATEGORIES!''''' [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 09:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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| Hello, the child protection policy on Wikipedia is rather troubling it seems basically like discrimination. The policy states that any user who "attempt to advocate inappropriate adult–child relationships on- or off-wiki (e.g. by expressing the view that inappropriate relationships are not harmful to children), or who identify themselves as pedophiles, will be blocked indefinitely.". It's rather disappointing, since Wikipedia is considered one of the greatest sources for unified human knowledge. Check out the link here for more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection [[User:Lister34|Lister34]] ([[User talk:Lister34|talk]]) 09:21, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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| :The worst part of it is the "or who identify themselves as pedophiles" part. The flaws in that have been pointed out to them, but they don't care, and I doubt they would tolerate anyone removing those six words. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 11:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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To all users
It would be a good idea to review this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
In short, the neutrality of point of view leads to an objective, "scientific" discourse, whereas non-neutrality leads to one-sided views and propaganda.
An important point is perhaps to understand that specific sympathies are not incompatible with a neutral point of view: you can like a country, a person, an amorous preference, and nevertheless be able of an objective discourse about it.
Only objectivity is credible. That's why it is vital for BoyWiki. We don't "promote", we explain and illustrate. --Etenne (talk) 12:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Please ask yourself before hitting the post button
- Dose this have a cultural or historical relavance to boylove?
- By posting this are you going to make Etenne lose sleep?
To all BoyWiki users:Naming
The convention for naming pages is that articles should be singular whereas categories should be plural.
- Names of topics and topic categories should be singular, normally corresponding to the name of a BoyWiki. article. Examples: "Law" (which represents a body of knowledge), "France", "George W. Bush".
- Names of set categories should be plural. Examples: "Writers", "Villages in Poland".
However, I am willing to hear counter arguments to this practice or suggestions before deciding what the policy should be --Etenne (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Just yesterday I noticed that Wikipedia has categories with a singular title, e.g. wikipedia:Category:Vagina. Also, there are some plural article titles, e.g.wikipedia:Jews. Lysander (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- You can't figure out what those two (obvious, at least, to me) errors are due to? Uh... You certainly make up in glibness what you lack in perspicacity. User4 (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- Enlighten me. Lysander (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hey! You didn't enlighten me about what those two errors are due to. Lysander (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Welcome back
I was glad to read your message on BoyChat and to see you're back. Then I thought: is there any hope left that the French BoyWiki will survive? :-/
Bron disappeared, I don't know when, why nor where. So did the French tech Pinocchio, which is a great loss. Some rare contributors obstinately continued creating pages on the French wiki between 2015 and 2019. But now I think they are disheartened because of the recent and sudden software change, that ruined all the formatting we had made on a lot of pages (thanks to Pinocchio's coding extensions).
Now it seems that the Council's page doesn't work anymore -- or am I wrong?
If you can be of some help, I'd like to write more to you through a secure mailbox.
Caprineus (talk) 21:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- I categorized all the daily pages of the French Agora, from December 7, 2008 to July 9, 2014 (most of them were difficult to find before this categorization): Agora
- Now everybody can see the really tough job that had been made by many contributors of the French BoyWiki, especially by the tech Pinocchio. It is not acceptable that such a job is destroyed after every update or server change, as exposed here: Modifications intempestives (written more than eight months ago – nobody even bothered to answer).
- But do French-speaking writings matter?... :-/
- Caprineus (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- "But do French-speaking writings matter?" Well, I suppose that depends on who you ask. I would hope they matter to other French-speaking people and writers. I still don't have e-mail yet. Yeah, the upgrades do mess things up a bit but there is no way around that.
- Etenne
- Thank you for answering.
- The true problem is: when Wikipedia runs an update of MediaWiki, all features already installed are kept and perform correctly; but when BoyWiki is updated, almost all features created by a tech are suppressed. Why?
- This is not "messing things up a bit", but destroying things a lot. :-( As I said before, when contributors see this, they are disheartened.
- I hope you can contact somebody who steps in on this wrong update process. As for me, I know nobody, and can do nothing: my only competence is to write about cultural boy-love topics. If "there is no way around" to keep my job in a good state and appearance, well... I will finally recognize that I was wrong to spend so much time and energy for it. :-(((
- Caprineus (talk) 22:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Etenne
Messages from Eskimo
Hello Etenne
I will be posting under this header any message I have for your consideration, I will delete old messages to make it more readable.
--Eskimo (talk) 12:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- yes you were absolutely right, that worked. Now, any guesses on getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work?
Etenne 
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Hello Etenne
Regarding getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work, can you post an example page or description of what the problem is? I can spend sometime on the Internet trying to track it down and report back if I find anything replicated.
--Eskimo (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Etenne, I am happy that you are happy with my work! I know that I can put pages into categories!
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