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<center><font size="+1" color="black">'''Duggar:Atheists tout youth registry over 'virtue'</font> <br>by Bernie Najarian''' <br>June 1, 2015 | <center><font size="+1" color="black">'''Duggar:Atheists tout youth registry over 'virtue'</font> <br>by Bernie Najarian''' <br>June 1, 2015 | ||
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Where once, we could rely on Christian fundamentalists to be our forbidding moral Grundies, peering skeptically down their noses at any sign of hanky-panky, now, we have atheists calling out fundamentalists for their casual sexual permissiveness. | Where once, we could rely on Christian fundamentalists to be our forbidding moral Grundies, peering skeptically down their noses at any sign of hanky-panky, now, we have atheists calling out fundamentalists for their casual sexual permissiveness. | ||
The issue is whether it was OK for Josh Duggar's extreme fundamentalist, TV celebrity parents to quietly give Josh some stern Christian counseling and then re-integrate him into normal life after he'd 'fondled' the breast and vaginal areas of his sisters and a sleeping babysitter when he was 14 and 15 years old | The issue is whether it was OK for Josh Duggar's extreme fundamentalist, TV celebrity parents to quietly give Josh some stern Christian counseling and then re-integrate him into normal life after he'd 'fondled' the breast and vaginal areas of his sisters and a sleeping babysitter when he was 14 and 15 years old <ref>http://www.bilerico.com/2015/05/heres_the_josh_duggar_police_report.php</ref>. On the face of it, the remedy seems to have worked: there have been no further complaints about the now adult, married Josh. Prominent anti-fundamentalists, however, are incensed by the irony of the Duggars portraying gays as child abusers while quietly forgiving one of their own. They have made the danger of Josh as a pedo the mainstay of their outrage. | ||
A particularly livid attack came from a widely followed, pseudonymous blogger called 'Libby Anne,' author of the blog 'Love Joy Feminism' on the patheos.com 'Atheist Channel.' Interestingly, it was reprinted in a blog run by J.L. Stollar, a progressive Christian who's just as anti-fundamentalist as the atheists | A particularly livid attack came from a widely followed, pseudonymous blogger called 'Libby Anne,' author of the blog 'Love Joy Feminism' on the patheos.com 'Atheist Channel.' Interestingly, it was reprinted in a blog run by J.L. Stollar, a progressive Christian who's just as anti-fundamentalist as the atheists <ref>https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/when-family-values-means-covering-for-child-sexual-assault/</ref> | ||
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Libby Anne's son, then, if he got over-curious and transgressed with his touches at 14, would be promptly taken to the police in the name of getting him 'help.' In some states, that would guarantee a life on the sex offenders' registry, but Libby Anne seems to feel that's all for the best. Her viewpoint is predicated on the notion that the girls involved, instead of brushing off the unwanted touches with "that was weird," would be exquisitely traumatized forever. Reading the Duggar police report shows that one daughter who was touched thought that Josh was trying to take her blanket; the babysitting neighbor who was touched knew nothing about it, having been fast asleep at the time as any good babysitter should be. A sister who Josh patted or groped in the wrong spots while he had her on his knee reading to her was the one who objected most strongly. All we know about the degree of her trauma is that she states in the police report that "it felt weird" but she later, at the time of the interview, felt "safe at home." | Libby Anne's son, then, if he got over-curious and transgressed with his touches at 14, would be promptly taken to the police in the name of getting him 'help.' In some states, that would guarantee a life on the sex offenders' registry, but Libby Anne seems to feel that's all for the best. Her viewpoint is predicated on the notion that the girls involved, instead of brushing off the unwanted touches with "that was weird," would be exquisitely traumatized forever. Reading the Duggar police report shows that one daughter who was touched thought that Josh was trying to take her blanket; the babysitting neighbor who was touched knew nothing about it, having been fast asleep at the time as any good babysitter should be. A sister who Josh patted or groped in the wrong spots while he had her on his knee reading to her was the one who objected most strongly. All we know about the degree of her trauma is that she states in the police report that "it felt weird" but she later, at the time of the interview, felt "safe at home." | ||
Libby Anne was especially outraged that a Christian blogger, Matt Walsh, strongly implied that he wouldn't bust his son to the cops and their partners among the 'help' whitecoats in a similar situation | Libby Anne was especially outraged that a Christian blogger, Matt Walsh, strongly implied that he wouldn't bust his son to the cops and their partners among the 'help' whitecoats in a similar situation <ref>http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/</ref>: | ||
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Walsh then referred back to the year-old controversy about the actress Lena Dunham, who admitted in her autobiog 'Not that Kind of Girl' that she'd once got a tad tactile with her curiosities about her little sister's vagina at the age of seven | Walsh then referred back to the year-old controversy about the actress Lena Dunham, who admitted in her autobiog 'Not that Kind of Girl' that she'd once got a tad tactile with her curiosities about her little sister's vagina at the age of seven <ref>http://www.people.com/article/lena-dunham-molestation-accusations-twitter</ref>. Despite a great deal of screaming at Dunham in the persiflage-press, there had been few suggestions from 'liberals' that she should be registered as a sex offender. | ||
Walsh had a good old right-rant about this: | Walsh had a good old right-rant about this: | ||
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Libby Anne is by no means the only major atheist to fling herself against this herd of rampaging conservative dinosaurs. The American Atheists' 'Atheist of the Year' for 2015 | Libby Anne is by no means the only major atheist to fling herself against this herd of rampaging conservative dinosaurs. The American Atheists' 'Atheist of the Year' for 2015 <ref>http://friendlyatheistpodcast.com/2015/05/31/vyckie-garrison-founder-of-no-longer-qivering/</ref>, Vyckie Garrison of the 'No Longer Quivering' self-help group for escapees of the fundamentalist QuiverFull movement, weighed in with a piece called "5 demented Evangelical teachings that enabled Josh Duggar’s sex crimes." Originally published in Alter/Net, it made it all the way to Salon <ref> http://www.salon.com/2015/05/28/5_demented_evangelical_teachings_that_enabled_josh_duggars_sex_crimes_partner/</ref>. The demented beliefs in question are: | ||
1) The Duggars are “Pro-life.” | 1) The Duggars are “Pro-life.” | ||
2) The Duggars believe that, under God, the FAMILY is the highest authority, particularly Daddy. | 2) The Duggars believe that, under God, the FAMILY is the highest authority, particularly Daddy. | ||
3) The Duggars frame dysfunction, abuse, and psychopathology in terms of sin, repentance, forgiveness, and grace … oh, and DEMONS. | 3) The Duggars frame dysfunction, abuse, and psychopathology in terms of sin, repentance, forgiveness, and grace … oh, and DEMONS. | ||
4) The Duggars embrace Evangelical Christian teachings on “modesty.” | 4) The Duggars embrace Evangelical Christian teachings on “modesty.” | ||
5) The Duggars believe that a benevolent God is intimately involved in every aspect of their lives and He is working all circumstances out for their ultimate good. | 5) The Duggars believe that a benevolent God is intimately involved in every aspect of their lives and He is working all circumstances out for their ultimate good. | ||
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While it's true that people tend not to change in sexual orientation per se after their early youth, the rate of recidivism for sex offenses is generally low, in the range of 1 in 19 or around 5% | While it's true that people tend not to change in sexual orientation per se after their early youth, the rate of recidivism for sex offenses is generally low, in the range of 1 in 19 or around 5% <ref>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender</ref>. So the great majority of sex offenders 'change' in terms of becoming non-offenders after their initial prosecution. | ||
People who do things defined as sex offenses are especially unlikely to re-offend if they are kids at the time they do the acts. Just prior to the crest of the Duggar fracas, an article stressing this point appeared in vox.com | People who do things defined as sex offenses are especially unlikely to re-offend if they are kids at the time they do the acts. Just prior to the crest of the Duggar fracas, an article stressing this point appeared in vox.com <ref> http://www.vox.com/2014/12/5/7333765/elizabeth-letourneu-interview</ref>. Writer Sarah Klipp interviewed Elizabeth Letourneau, director of the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse at Johns Hopkins University, and an outspoken advocate of complete rehabilitation for nabbed youthful sex offenders. Letourneau said, | ||
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Back on the anti-Duggar side, R. L. Stollar's 'Homeschool Alumni Reaching Out' organization takes a sirens-wailing, lights-flashing approach to any bad-touching in the home. | Back on the anti-Duggar side, R. L. Stollar's 'Homeschool Alumni Reaching Out' organization takes a sirens-wailing, lights-flashing approach to any bad-touching in the home. | ||
An article 'How to Respond to Sibling Abuse | An article 'How to Respond to Sibling Abuse <ref> https://hareachingout.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/how-to-respond-to-sibling-abuse-as-a-parent-or-caretaker/</ref> has the following advice: | ||
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@RLStollar @HAReachingOut ... Step 9: Scout for a good spot under a bridge where your forever criminalized child may live out his adult years. | @RLStollar @HAReachingOut ... Step 9: Scout for a good spot under a bridge where your forever criminalized child may live out his adult years. | ||
That's if the child lives. An article by Miles Bryan of National Public Radio points out that appallingly large numbers of people registered as sex offenders in their childhood attempt suicide | That's if the child lives. An article by Miles Bryan of National Public Radio points out that appallingly large numbers of people registered as sex offenders in their childhood attempt suicide <ref> http://www.npr.org/2015/05/28/410251735/for-juvenile-sex-offenders-state-registries-create-lifetime-of-problems</ref>. | ||
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This article was originally posted to BoyChat on June 1, 2015.[1] The views expressed are solely those of the authors and not necessarily those of BoyWiki or Free Spirits.
by Bernie Najarian June 1, 2015
Where once, we could rely on Christian fundamentalists to be our forbidding moral Grundies, peering skeptically down their noses at any sign of hanky-panky, now, we have atheists calling out fundamentalists for their casual sexual permissiveness. The issue is whether it was OK for Josh Duggar's extreme fundamentalist, TV celebrity parents to quietly give Josh some stern Christian counseling and then re-integrate him into normal life after he'd 'fondled' the breast and vaginal areas of his sisters and a sleeping babysitter when he was 14 and 15 years old [1]. On the face of it, the remedy seems to have worked: there have been no further complaints about the now adult, married Josh. Prominent anti-fundamentalists, however, are incensed by the irony of the Duggars portraying gays as child abusers while quietly forgiving one of their own. They have made the danger of Josh as a pedo the mainstay of their outrage. A particularly livid attack came from a widely followed, pseudonymous blogger called 'Libby Anne,' author of the blog 'Love Joy Feminism' on the patheos.com 'Atheist Channel.' Interestingly, it was reprinted in a blog run by J.L. Stollar, a progressive Christian who's just as anti-fundamentalist as the atheists [2]
Libby Anne was especially outraged that a Christian blogger, Matt Walsh, strongly implied that he wouldn't bust his son to the cops and their partners among the 'help' whitecoats in a similar situation [3]:
Walsh had a good old right-rant about this:
Then there was presidential candidate Mike Huckabee's interjection on his Facebook page:
1) The Duggars are “Pro-life.” 2) The Duggars believe that, under God, the FAMILY is the highest authority, particularly Daddy. 3) The Duggars frame dysfunction, abuse, and psychopathology in terms of sin, repentance, forgiveness, and grace … oh, and DEMONS. 4) The Duggars embrace Evangelical Christian teachings on “modesty.” 5) The Duggars believe that a benevolent God is intimately involved in every aspect of their lives and He is working all circumstances out for their ultimate good. In response to these abominations, Garrison comes up with an extreme belief of her own, as highlighted in bold type below.
People who do things defined as sex offenses are especially unlikely to re-offend if they are kids at the time they do the acts. Just prior to the crest of the Duggar fracas, an article stressing this point appeared in vox.com [8]. Writer Sarah Klipp interviewed Elizabeth Letourneau, director of the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse at Johns Hopkins University, and an outspoken advocate of complete rehabilitation for nabbed youthful sex offenders. Letourneau said,
Back on the anti-Duggar side, R. L. Stollar's 'Homeschool Alumni Reaching Out' organization takes a sirens-wailing, lights-flashing approach to any bad-touching in the home. An article 'How to Respond to Sibling Abuse [9] has the following advice:
If it's a brutal rape, certainly, but any act conceivable as being criminal? Children and young teens are well known to commit common assault against their siblings, plus all manner of petty theft, without being marched down to the police station every time it happens. The fact is that youthful judgment does need to be deepened by experience and discipline, and parental intervention about nominal crimes in the home is usually considered to be sufficient. The idea that a boy touching his sister's breast while she's sleeping necessitates a police visit surely comes from the demonizing of pedophiles, and not from anything related to sound parenting or correct social judgment. And we know from Letourneau's article that the boy placed for 'help' into the official sex offender system would never be free of his rapist tattoo. This caused MA advocate-tweeter Kamil Beylant to add a ninth action to the response list. Kamil Beylant @Securityconcern May 30 @RLStollar @HAReachingOut ... Step 9: Scout for a good spot under a bridge where your forever criminalized child may live out his adult years. That's if the child lives. An article by Miles Bryan of National Public Radio points out that appallingly large numbers of people registered as sex offenders in their childhood attempt suicide [10].
Beylant summed up his reaction in a tweet aimed at Garrison and her 'five demented beliefs' article. Kamil Beylant @Securityconcern May 28 Five demented religious beliefs squaring off against one demented secular belief. In another comment, he said, Kamil Beylant @Securityconcern May 30 @ExSexoffender @Tttea ... These days, the precautionary principle consists of picking a target group and assuming the worst about everyone in it. It seems that balance and sanity may only be achieved when someone devises an atheism that is as skeptical about the atheists as it is about the theists.
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