Talk:Etenne

Those papers should be of interest to you, as they contain info relevant to your posts on BC as well as BoyWiki articles. I am not really asking anything...

EJ801193.pdf describes who benefits from pedosteria, and quotes from the other materials I linked to.

The_Cost_of_Homophobia discusses the suffering of gays from homophobia, and closely parallels pedo's problems - you can substitute "pedo" for "homosexual" in much of the article and it describes our problems exactly.

Interesting pic here. Maybe you can track down the artist? https://anonfiles.com/file/36c22cd21c9249e8e005a7b074ce3475

I call it, "Child with flower" but that is surely not it's real name.

User4 16:08, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

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BTW... there free are tools on the Web which (supposedly) take HTML markup and convert it to Wiki markup.

Check the links here:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=online+convert+html+wiki+markup

I don't know if they work, how well they work, etc. You'll have to try them. They might make some of your "conversions" easier.

Hope you are feeling better.

Don't take certain stuff too seriously, OK? ;-)

User4 04:17, 7 March 2014 (GMT)

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This one is quite cool and seems to work http://bmanolov.free.fr/html2wiki-tables.php#wiki

--Etenne 13:08, 8 March 2014 (GMT)

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RE: bmanolov.free.fr HTML to WIKI markup translation:

I don't see it working at all - I tested it on some HTML, and it did nothing. Maybe javascript being disabled in my browser is the problem? When you tested it, did you really notice changes made to the text you entered in the "to convert" field? I didn't see any.

RE: Witch Hunt in UK

... that you posted about.

If you look at the other articles the author has published, it is clear that she is a demented "child saver" (she has a 15-year-old girl to "protect").

http://www.express.co.uk/search/Sonia+Poulton?s=Sonia+Poulton&b=1

I wonder if Sonia Poulton could be educated in the facts about CL? Perhaps she should be contacted by someone knowledgeable, and made aware of a few things? Could Bernie do that?

Oh - one more thing. Did you recently get an email from me? Please confirm if you did or did not. You may choose to ignore my emails - that's your prerogative, and OK with me(?), but I would like to know if someone else is intercepting and deleting email sent to you. If so, I won't bother to email you any more.

User4 13:19, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, when I tried it, it worked fine and changed the text from HTML to Wiki markup.

Re: Sonia Poulton... You can't have a discussion with these types of fanatics. Pas vaut la peine.

Yes, I got your email but that is one thing you should know about me. I am slow to respond, I don't like writing letters, or talking on the phone. I use to have a house phone but it was a waste because I refused to answer the thing. I do respond to my email, it just takes me a long time because I need to be really bored and in the mood. --Etenne 13:46, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, when I tried it, it worked fine and changed the text from HTML to Wiki markup.

That may save you a lot of time and effort, not to mention headaches, no?

Uh, so, hmm... 'you're welcome'? Sheesh...

User4 21:01, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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I will let you know when I actually use it for something if it makes my life more enjoyable, fulfilled, and meaningful P~

So how are you coming along on learning to wiki?

--Etenne 11:15, 10 March 2014 (GMT)

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So how are you coming along on learning to wiki?

I'm in the middle of a lot of other things which are more important to me at this point. So many articles at BW need work that I don't really know where to begin. Of course, the place to start that is probably the most important is to make editing easy for new "scribes". I started that, but then got distracted by the other things I am working on elsewhere. Good, important stuff IMHO. Sorry about that. P~

I will let you know when I actually use it for something if it makes my life more enjoyable, fulfilled, and meaningful P~

You do that, OK? Like, I know you can't 'foresee the future' on the usefulness of that tool. P~

User4 21:01, 2 March 2214 (GMT)

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You should check this out:

http://wikiwig.sourceforge.net/

WYSIWYG means "what you see is what you get"

If you can install this, editing should be a breeze for new editors.

OK, OK - now for your excuses about "I can't because... It is too difficult because... I don't want to because... etc. etc.

Come on, dude - if you had this, then new "scribes" (gawd, how I hate that term!) would be able to quickly and easily edit BW pages.

Now, tell me how that would not be useful! P~

Now I'm back to looking for an "online wiki WYSIWYG editor" because waiting for BW pages to re-load is so so so fucking slow!

User4 20:28, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

There is also this:

https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12529

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cacycle/wikEd

... but it needs javascript enabled in your browser, which some do not like.

And this:

Create and format a document in Word as before, choose File – > Save As and select MediaWiki* under file types. Word will now convert and save the document in Wiki style markup. The add-in is supported on Microsoft Office Word 2007 and Office 2010.

http://www.labnol.org/software/wysiwyg-wiki-editor/18062/

... and this:

Alternatively, you can use any HTML editor – like Dreamweaver or Live Writer – and then convert your HTML tags into Wiki markup using that HTML to WIKI markup tool I introduced

User4 19:26, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

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What we need is this:

An "editing help" file that can be kept open in another tab or window, which has the possible markup in a TOC with a link to the section describing it, and a "return" link to the TOC.

Or do we have that already?

(... 5 minutes later)

I just went looking for "editing help". I know you gave me info on it, but I don't remember where. I tried under the help category, but it is not there. I checked under special categories but it is not there. I'm sure I can find it, but let me tell you - the average "scribe" would give up much sooner than I would! And then you'd be left with "one less scribe". People don't want to go on wild-goose chases. They want things easy to find, readily accessible, at their fingertips.

That is what wiki software is supposed to do!!!

Why doesn't BW work that way?

(... 5 minutes later)

I found what I had added:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Full_list_of_wiki_markup_notation

I'll guess at a correct link:

Full_list_of_wiki_markup_notation

(NOTE: If I had what I'm talking about, I would not NEED to guess.)

It needs to have the extraneous info removed (Egyptian characters? We are unlikely to need those), put the markup code within the text, then have a "back to TOC" link for each one.

User4 12:49, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

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I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if you can create a link to a section on a different page you can MORE JUNK #History or This is a link to a section.

You have been adding a lot of stuff, perhaps it time you start to put it together into a complete page?

--Etenne 10:10, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if you can create a link to a section on a different page you can MORE JUNK #History or This is a link to a section.

Great! Now, how do you make a link to go BACK to the place the link started - like Wikipedia does in its references?

I tried to figure out how they do it. Not very successfully...

<code>HTML version <code><a name="anchor">REF ONE</a> <code><a ref="TextFormattingRules#anchor"> <code>FOR BACK, TRY THIS: <code><a name="BACKREFONE">BACK REF ONE</a> <code><a ref="TextFormattingRules#BACKREFONE"> <code><nowiki>FOR WIKI: <code>[#anchor] <code>which can be referred to with any of the linking methods, per the examples below. <code>You can not use the minus or hypen character (i.e. "-") in the anchor name, e.g. "[#N888_7_2_1]" works ok, while <code>"[#N888-7-2-1]" does not <code>Wiki link: <a ref="TextFormattingRules#anchor">

I GIVE UP ON TRYING TO MAKE SEPARATE LINES OF THE ABOVE!!!! MAYBE DOUBLE-SPACED WILL WORK!!! WHERE IS THE GODDAMN HELP PAGE!!!

EXAMPLE OF WHAT I MEAN:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah *CLICK TO SKIP TO FOOTNOTE 1*

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah *CLICK TO SKIP TO FOOTNOTE 2* blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

• CLICK HERE TO "SKIP BACK" TO TEXT* *HERE IS THE FOOTNOTE 1*

• CLICK HERE TO "SKIP BACK" TO TEXT* *HERE IS THE FOOTNOTE 2*

User4 23:24, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

Let's see. There are a number of "steps" necessary for a wiki to have good content. First, there must be the basic information, which someone has to search for and find. Then a "basic" entry must be made, then the entry has to be "prettied up" with correct wiki markup, then it must be proofread, and then it is "finished" (barring the addition of new information).

Now, which of the above steps requires a great deal of patience, skill, and (perhaps) some unusual abilities?

• Proofreading for errors?

• Prettying up the entry with markup?

• Making the "basic" entry?

• Or locating good material which could be included in the wiki?

A "technician" can do the proofreading. He can do the "prettying up". He can do all the "donkey work".

But finding the stuff for inclusion - now that takes something unusual, doesn't it? And without which, none of the "technicians" would have anything to do.

Sure - all the steps are important. But having a record of a good site with a link to it, or having some important material (even in HTML markup, or otherwise deficient) is the first (and arguably, the most important) step, wouldn't you agree?

For example, someone might start a page, and include a link to an (unusual, because it is "boylove friendly") Encyclopedia of Homosexuality, then others could put descriptions of, and links to, the important, relevant articles.

N'est-ce pas? ;- )

User4 23:24, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

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If I understand what you are asking, it is possible. Look at the source of this page Somersault's HTML Guide, the little hand.gif sends you back to the TOC. It's just tedious and a pain in the ass to do.

--Etenne 12:13, 20 March 2014 (GMT)

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It should be abundantly clear what I have been doing in the:

Test_hyperlink_backup

... (which is the one I'm working on because of an "editing conflict" error) wiki markup "help" file. I am making it so that even your everyday garden-variety idiot should be able to understand how to do common wiki markup.

How about you or another of the scribblers "scribes" here doing some work on it? There are notes in the file indicating things which need doing.

I'm tired...

One thing that needs doing quickly is moving the "special character" section to somewhere else, and fixing the tables in it, and then putting a link to the new fixed file.

In the wiki markup "help" file there should only be the most common symbols that a scribbler "scribe" would need, right?

User4 02:53, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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BTW - I zeroed-out the contents of the entry:

TEST HYPERLINK

because there was an "editing conflict" and I had to save the file again.

It is now superseded by the:

Test_hyperlink_backup

... which is the one I am working on now. D~

User4 03:07, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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Some stuff I have recently saved should have links added to this page:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing

Eventually...

User4 07:16, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

--- Feel free to edit Help:Editing that page need a lot of work anyways. I still need you to tell me which pages you don't need anymore like:

• MORE JUNK‎
• Testwikiconversion
• Encylopedia of Homosexuality are you going to expand this page?

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Uh, aside from the possible "irritation" of having some incomplete - or even unnecessary - pages sitting around, I, uh, well - what's the hurry? Like, those pages are causing some kind of harm or something?

Couldn't you just let me get to them in my own good time?

I would prefer that...

Sheesh...

Oh, take a look at:

Test_hyperlink_backup

... and why don't you see about fixing some things in it? It is not that far from being finished, I think.

I think also that anybody new here would be very happy to have the page to refer to, even as it is now, with some junk in it... ;- )

User4 11:01, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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If you run into an editing conflict again, just hit save a second time and it will overwrite it.

Part of the reason some of this stuff has not been updated in years is because I find writing "help pages" tedious and dull. I will try to review some of the pages but when it comes to this boring technical stuff, it doesn't hold my attention and I really have to force myself to read this stuff. --Etenne 12:02, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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I know that you are not a "techie" like some are. And that is fine.

In future, if someone ever asks how to make a hyperlink here, please give them this information:

Two tags are necessary to include on a page in order to make a link on a page that can be

clicked on to another part of the article.




This is the first tag, the link to be clicked on:

[[#CLICKME|CLICKME]]

In the above, only the "CLICKME" will be visible in the page display. Put whatever you want

instead of the CLICKME.




The following is the target in the article - the point that will be skipped to:

<span id="CLICKME"></span>

You must include whatever you used in the first tag (instead of the CLICKME) in the second tag.

The target will only be visible in page-edit mode. On the displayed page it will be invisible.

If you give them the above information, it may save them time.

For example, in my case it would have saved me OVER TWO HOURS of mind-numbing effort. I think it cost me a few million brain neurons, too. :- )

Wait - that is only two hours of the past 5 hours.

If you include the other time spent on trying to figure this out, it would be maybe 20 or 30 hours. And that is not an exaggeration!

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Hoo, boy...

C'est la vie.

User4 03:46, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

I can understand that. I have only been doing wiki about a year and a half myself. I had to learn everything by trial and error too.

I was playing with the new wiki all afternoon with one of the tech.guys... it's about 90 percent done.

--Etenne 03:56, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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NEW WIKI! Are you going to make all the work I have done obsolete so soon? Sheesh!

Oh, and let's not keep (too many) secrets from each other.

Now, come on, tell me - which new wiki software will we be using? I'd like to look it up and find all its limitations, just so I will have something else to bitch about. D~

Oh, please check:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Etenne_please_check_if_this_is_correct

... and be sure that I explained how to make links correctly. Thanks.

Oh - another thing - my "help file" will be a godsend for new scribblers scribes. ;- )

User4 07:03, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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Hmm... just where IS:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/SINCE_NOONE_WILL_EXPLAIN_LINKS_I_WILL_FIGURE_IT_OUT_-_SHEESH!

... because it is no longer on my user page. I deleted it from my user page. You up to your old tricks again, huh? ;- )

User4 07:20, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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Since you've (apparently) got "ants in your pants" then, OK - go ahead and delete the ones currently flagged for deletion.

Happy now? ;- )

Sheesh! I'll bet your apartment is so clean, you could eat off of the floor!

You can eat off of the floor of my apartment.

But not because it's so clean.

See, if you ate off of my floor, you'd leave it cleaner than it is now.

User4 14:52, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, I have a very clean and orderly place P~

I am allergic to dust so I clean quite regularly... but even so, I highly recommend it. It doesn't matter how poor you are a little soap and water doesn't cost much.

I haven't deleted any pages yet, I am still working on the policy and deciding how long the discussion period should be:) This page SINCE NOONE WILL EXPLAIN LINKS I WILL FIGURE IT OUT - SHEESH! still exists and can be found here Category:Articles proposed for deletion

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I'll bet that even the refrigerator coils at the back of your fridge are spotless.

Am I right? He, he...

Uh, as for "discussion periods" for deletions - just who are you going to discuss it with? Seems to me like we're all by ourselves here.

Ooh... How romantic!

Hmm... If I registered another nick, then I could outvote you...

Then I could feel right at home here, mess and all!

Oh, speaking of "home" - if I made you your favorite meal (and it was prepared perfectly) would you help me clean up my place a little?

Pretty please?

Oh, drats. I knew that wouldn't work. Well, it was worth a try. :- \

User4 16:09, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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I am the king of the wiki and all my decisions are final unless I change them. Still, I like to give people the impression that their vote counts P~ "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". - George Orwell .

--Etenne 16:18, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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Still, I like to give people the impression that their vote counts

You canucks are becoming more and more like Americans every day! Sheesh - you'd think you guys live on the same continent as the Americans do or something...

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".

Yeah, that's what the pigs wrote on the side of the barn. P~

Enough of me trying to "fake it" as a raconteur... it tires me out. Time for a little nap.

Hmm... now, where is that damned bed? It was here last night. Or at least I think it was here. I never can be quite sure about some things...

User4 16:43, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

MediaWiki, scope, etc.

Hey Etenne,

Thanks for setting up the account. I notice BoyWiki uses a fairly old version of MediaWiki, 1.13. There's a new version coming out, 1.23, that's pretty good: "With 1.23, MediaWiki starts to behave more like a modern website as regards notifications, to keep the editors of your wiki engaged and always up to date about what interests them. This used to require several custom settings." I can help you guys with configuration if you want the help, as I've owned and operated numerous wikis, contributed core patches, and developed extensions. If you would like any custom extensions developed, please let me know.

Also, I was wondering how broad the scope of the wiki can be. As the Newgon article nature of the problem points out, "Youth rights and participation must be an integral part of our eventual activism (without a broader movement to fall back on, we are doomed)". How far into the topic of youth rights in general can we venture without being off-topic for this wiki?

Public Activism (Options for Closeted BoyLovers) notes, "But if you want to legalize child sex, it's inevitable that you will have to argue youth rights. All ageist laws are based on an understanding that youth are incapable, untermenschen in wait to become full human. For instance, advocates against ADHD drugs have to make the argument that children have self-ownership. The argument logically ends by also having self-ownership for sex."

Not only does it make it easier to argue for sexual freedom when other youth rights have been granted, but it also makes relationships with young friends more convenient when they have more rights. For example, if young people are allowed to drive around, then it's easier to get together with them; if they are allowed to hold jobs, then it can make money less of a problem in the relationship; and so on.

Also, what about girls? Is there growing recognition that the girllover and boylover communities should work together? Or is the topic of girllove best reserved for Newgon, ChildWiki, etc.? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get hold of the people in charge of Newgon to request an account; if you are able to help me with that, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Leucosticte 23:44, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

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@Leucosticte

Yes, we are going to upgrade any day now. During that time, BoyWiki will be offline for about 4 days.

As to the topic of Girllove.... I agree that is not appropriate for BoyWiki as we are more specialized. However, I think we can make some exceptions where our mutual concerns overlap.

I don't know anyone from Newgon or I would have been happy to help.

--Etenne 00:07, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

If you want to be able to import the latest templates from Wikipedia, then Scribunto will also be useful. Leucosticte 15:12, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

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I will look into it. Right now, I am focused on getting the current bugs worked out and making sure it is secure. I did a test user block this morning which worked fine (our tech person seems to know what he is doing:) I was worried that some of the "tinkering" that was done may have messed it up but no, I can still ban the bad guys:)

--Etenne 15:35, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

On Mises Wiki, we upgraded a year or two ago to an apparently broken version of MediaWiki that didn't allow blocks or page protections. For several months, those features were out of order but no major harm was caused because apparently nobody cared enough about the wiki to vandalize it, or they didn't realize it was vulnerable. As for the spammers, they tended not to use the same account or IP more than once anyway. BoyWiki of course will always be a potential target of haters, at least until a more enlightened or laid back future arrives. Leucosticte 15:54, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

Etenne's rant for the day

I have had quite a morning already.... I woke up to no power and no heat! I need more coffee!

Like I said, the new wiki is coming:) But you have to understand that everything here is done by volunteers and people get things done at their own pace... sometimes right away and sometimes a week or two latter. Therefore, progress is slow. We are mostly done...just some things need to be tweaked. The last mile does seem to be the longest:(

--Etenne 16:13, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

We've been out of coffee over here for more than a week, so that I've had to resort to decaf tea just for the sake of having some warm beverage. But yeah, waking up without power or heat pretty much takes the cake, as far as unpleasant inconveniences go.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to rush you or anything. I actually think this wiki is pretty good, tech-wise; site performance is pretty good and you've got a pretty lightweight (i.e. non-bloated) configuration set up, it looks like. I also think it has some advantages, administration-wise, compared to, say, Conservapedia or RationalWiki. At least BoyWiki doesn't lock people out at night and ban them for questionable reasons. It also has advantages over Wikipedia, as you pointed out in your BoyChat post. It's really a breath of fresh air to be able to participate in a wiki that's friendly to child/youth sexual liberation and has more users than just me.

With reference to BoyWiki being "the voice of a single person", I admire that you had the passion and tenacity to stay the course when it was, perhaps, kinda lonely here. I have been in that situation many times. The first time it happened was on Libertapedia, in April 2009. All the other active users (about three people) got disgruntled and left, so that it was just me running the place. Perhaps I gave up on that project too easily, and let the wiki go to ruin when I could have found a way to put it on autopilot instead. It seems that if you stay the course long enough, other users will often eventually show up.

A friend of mine who runs a wiki hosting company writes, "In a wiki environment building and working with a community is probably the hardest part. I have worked on several wiki projects and building as well as working with the community was the most challenging part. It is frustrating if the community does not build up and on the other hand it is very frustrating to deal with the community since it tends to develop a life of its own. It is really hard work to have a healthy community. If you don't have this morale is likely to sink the more time passes." Leucosticte 16:29, 26 March 2014 (GMT)