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Adding a review

I'm about to type in a review of Show Me! In the journal Family Counselor, off of JStor. Before putting in that effort, I wanted to be sure you had no problem with it. Wanker (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

So long as it is not a copyright violation and appropriately referenced, it shouldn't be a problem. You can add excerpts etc... --Etenne (talk) 18:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

It is a copyright violation. Including the Show Me! preface is one. I suspect I could easily find more. I'm pretty knowledgable about copyright and my recommendation is to just ignore it, especially since you have no commercial purpose. The worst that could happen is someone sends a letter asking that something be taken down. They aren't going to use their lawyers' time with a nonprofit individual user with no money who's not selling anything. It's not worth it to them. Wanker (talk) 02:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Sex offender risk assessment

Can you please restore sex offender risk assessment to my userspace? Maybe it can eventually be improved to a point where it's suitable for mainspace. Thanks, Lysander (talk) 19:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Please fix categories for Child Rescue Coalition

I can't figure out what I did wrong. Wanker (talk) 12:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

You used the wrong brackets. I have done that before too--Etenne (talk) 12:46, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Relevance of CPS-related issues to boylove

Hey Etenne,

The anti-CPS movement doesn't have a wiki yet. To what extent, if any, would you consider this type of content relevant to boylove? (Currently it's hosted at Mises Wiki, which will eventually go defunct because the Mises Institute's unspoken policy is to neither maintain nor destroy the wiki, and it's gradually rotting as the code becomes more and more outdated and begins to malfunction, an example being the InstantCommons which no longer works after Wikimedia's shift from http to https.)

The way I look at it, CPS is going to have a chilling effect on free speech as they take away the kids of anyone who is too outspokenly opposed to the age of consent, or who admits to having pedophilic desires. An example would be this petition stating, "It has been reported that Father has pedophilic desires. . . . It is alleged that Father has posted numerous online material expounding justifications for sexual relations between adults and children, placing the welfare of the subject Child at risk. . . . Father admits his pedophilic desires".

The site asks, "Please ask yourself before hitting the save button Does this have a cultural or historical relevance to boylove?" Culture consists of values and norms, so could potentially extend into the political and legal realms. Lysander (talk) 17:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

"Village pump"?

Di we have a page here for wiki-related discussions? __meco (talk) 13:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, BoyWiki:Agora We are kind of into the ancient Greek culture :)--Etenne (talk) 13:42, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
You are, huh? Who'd have thunk… ;-) __meco (talk) 13:48, 31 October 2015 (UTC)



How can I upload a picture or two? Haiduc (talk) 17:49, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

BoyWiki:Requests for file uploads --Etenne (talk) 18:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Exempt regulars from CAPTCHA

I wonder if regulars could be exempted from having to fill out the CAPTCHA all the time? See mediawikiwiki:Manual:$wgAutopromote for more info on how to accomplish that. I was thinking that maybe editors who have, say, 1,000 edits and have been here for 100 days could be exempted from the CAPTCHA. Thanks. Lysander (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


These days, BoyChat is starting to have almost as much downtime as GirlChat. Lysander (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, but it is good to have a break now and then..... I personally plan to get quite drunk tonight. --Etenne (talk) 22:29, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

A vicious cycle

I want to donate to Free Spirits to help defend against DDoS attacks, but I guess the attackers took down the donation page too! Lysander (talk) 04:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, and I do not know for how long it will be down. I will know more maybe by Monday. --Etenne (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
But I want BoyChat to be back up NOW! Lysander (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The Tech. people are working on that but I have been given no ETA on when they will finish. When you are a BL, you learn to be patient :) --Etenne (talk) 16:21, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
BC will be back sometime on Monday, after the new security features are added. --Etenne (talk) 15:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
BoyChat is now back online--Etenne (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
The donation page still isn't working beyond the first step of the pledge process though. Lysander (talk) 22:30, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

The donation page still isn't working!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! Lysander (talk) 04:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I have no idea when it will be up and running again. --Etenne (talk) 12:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Is BoyChat going the way of Newgon? Lysander (talk) 01:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
No, just a minor annoyance. We BL's move slowly but we keep moving..... if you knew how many times BoyChat was in real danger of dying, you'd be amazed that we are still here 20 years later. Someday the antis may win but that day is not today or anytime soon. --Etenne (talk) 02:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)



Yeah, I am not sure that is going to work but we will see. --Etenne (talk) 02:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Especially since I forgot my pledge number and never got an email, so now I have to do a new pledge. Lysander (talk) 10:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I'm alive, and, well...

I've been very very busy preparing materials for uploading. Of course, having lost my Internet connection several months ago did put a small crimp in my uploading style. Now dozens of books are in the pipeline, most simply waiting for final proofreading...

Well, I'm "Internetized" again, as of about two hours ago. But I'm still too busy to contribute much here... sorry about that...

Anyway, I'm just saying "hello". I hope you're OK. You may have been wondering if I was still alive...

BTW-- I don't remember much of the Wiki coding that I had learned, so expect errors for awhile in anything I do contribute...

Cheers! À bientôt

User4 (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I am glad you are doing well and look forward to your future contributions to BoyWiki. I suppose that wiki code is rather like riding a bike ... --Etenne (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Nice! What other "smileys" do we have available?
User4 (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
That and just the regular one are the only ones I have added so far. I just happened to like that one and decided to add it to my signature (until I get bored with it) Collecting BL related graphics is a hobby. --Etenne 14:10, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Problems with User4

I have been working on the article on Browser security, which I think I know something about both technically and socially. (I went through having my computer seized and searched.) He comes in and puts in things that are just wrong, such as "TOR is secure". We're having a low key edit war and I'm pretty frustrated about it. Wanker (talk) 01:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

I wish I had an easy answer for you or could say what is right but that is way beyond my area of expertise. I am sorry you are feeling frustrated. Sometimes it is difficult to work together when both people believe deeply that they are right. I don't have an answer. I do appreciate how you must be feeling and the work you do here --Etenne 02:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

What to work on

Where would my finite efforts be most useful? I have a Ph.D. In history/literature; also very good at English and editing. Wanker (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Hard to answer as I am not sure what your areas of interest are... my advice is to write about what you are passionate about. --Etenne 02:41, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

You might want to help out some BLs by posting

My article (it's pretty much finished--I've picked my brain for everything I could think of), "BoyLover mistakes leading to arrest and conviction" to the BC thread:

BCers convicted of crime: How did you get caught? - qwolk 2016-March-23 22:58:54, Wednesday (13)

Or, then again, you might not want to. User4 (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Something for the French BoyWiki, perhaps?

User4 (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

How do I "edit" an Agora entry to reply?

Your last entry was, "The only advice on that I can give is that it maybe..." but I see no way to edit that entry to reply. User4 (talk) 15:58, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that thing works with JS (don't blame me... yell at Conner) you are going to have to go to the page directly BoyWiki:Agora/3_April_2016 I believe. --Etenne 17:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I need a really small favor

I need to know if actually caches .PDF files, or if it simply links to the website. If they actually cache the .PDF files, then those files will be permanently available, even if that keepandshare account is closed. If the .PDF files are not cached, then--if the account is closed--the files will be lost.

If you click the following link, my question will be answered. Thanks! (You don't have to actually save the file when given the choice--just click on the link, then close the "save as" popup, and then close the browser window.)


Let me know if you do do me this favor, OK?, because otherwise I won't know how is handling things... Thanks User4 (talk) 14:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems to work. --Etenne 15:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm checking out to see what actually happened... I don't know yet... Thanks much for your help! (put another URL above, so no-one will accidentally repeat your test and screw things up...) User4 (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, it looks like it was a "failure," meaning that does not cache the actual .PDF files themselves, but it just caches the links to them at keepandshare. That's a real shame... if the "marti" sites close, then the files will be lost forever... Now I'm really discouraged... I don't know what to do... :-( User4 (talk) 16:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I know you're very busy, but I'd just like to point out that you haven't yet responded to a comment about Agora that I made Thanks. User4 (talk) 02:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I made a sample "Here's some help" page for Buster's user page.

I think you can probably find it. Oh, where is everybody today? I'm feeling lonely, here all by myself... User4 (talk) 04:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry you were feeling lonely but some days, I actually have to do real work.( which I am paying for today) I have a number of jobs that I have to get done (and several little jobs I want to get done) but unfortunately, the weather this year has been less then cooperative. --Etenne 13:01, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The Main Page of BoyWiki looks very nice!

I just wanted to let you know my opinion of it. You put a lot of work into it, I know. User4 (talk) 02:38, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


Can't you just block him for a month or something? He's not that bad of a guy. Lysander (talk) 00:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I wish that were possible however he refuses to take direction, he does things that I ask him not to do. Right now, I can't be around to monitor BoyWiki as often, as it is my busy time of year (which was the major factor in my decision). I simple can't trust him to be responsible. If he would stick to writing about books and other things of interest, I would not have a problem (so long as he did so within the copyright laws) but he has made it very clear to me that he will not do that and he doesn't care what I think and is going to do what he pleases... and that being the case, he is now more of a liability then an asset. The bottom line is that he can think that I am wrong all he likes, he can think I am an asshole, but he needs to understand that I am the person in charge and when I say don't do it then don't do it! I have always thought that User4 had a good deal to offer BoyWiki (and still do) but if he can't work within the structure, it is pointless to continue. I am done arguing, I am done fighting. I simple don't have the time or energy to do it. I have never thought user4 was "that bad of a guy" but BoyWiki is highly structured (i.e. it is not a message board) and the type of writing that is required is also structured (formula writing) and is not something that is in everyone's wheelhouse. Sometimes you have to work inside the proverbial box and user4 has proven to me that he is either unwilling or unable to do that. However, I will think about it and maybe when I am feeling less pressed and overwhelmed, my heart will be less hardened on this subject. --Etenne 02:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
"it is my busy time of year" 3-6 months block, then? If this were Wikipedia, he would probably just create another account and edit using that, but it isn't possible here. Lysander (talk) 10:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


Home page is two words.

Degrees of anonymity exist in English. Doing somethng, you can be more anonymous than before. What user4 calls anonymity we would call "total anonymity". So it's not that you have to choose between anonymity and non-anonymity. Changes made in TOR, which is far from totally secure, and browser security. Wanker (talk) 22:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

user4 is dangerous

His inaccurate changes to articles on computer security - basically portraying things as better and safer than they are - are putting boylovers in danger. I suggest you block him.

Do you want references on Tor's lack of security?

Computers become rapidly more powerful (Moore's Law). Thus they are more and more able to penetrate encryption. For more info, look up prime numbers under Cryptography.

You may not know whether to believe me or not, but isn't it safer to assume I'm right? Wanker (talk) 22:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

User4 is currently banned.--Etenne 13:18, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of Internet security tutorial

I believe this article should be archived (deleted). It was written in 2009, is full of outdated and other misinformation (and grammar/spelling mistakes), and I don't think it's worth the effort to edit and update it. The very concept of a security tutorial which, if followed, will make you secure is a big miThe situation changes significantly at least every year, sometimes several times a year. Wanker (talk) 11:38, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Suggest deletion of What if Astrologers took over the government?

Another User4 article, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing (a quote from Macbeth by Shakespeare).

I made a mistake referring to prime numbers. I should have said factorials. Wanker (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ottoman picture

I have some nineteenth-century ones that must be public domain. But how do I get them to you? In fact one would be good for the article. But I have no idea what the next step is.

I have more to do on the computer security articles. Wanker (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Ether email picture to me at or post it some place where I can download it. --Etenne 13:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I cannot figure out how to do this without leaving a trail back to my IP. Is there no direct way to upload a file to Boywiki? Wanker (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
No, most people email them to me or provide me the URL where I can retrieve them. --Etenne 14:25, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

This is hand-colored:

This says "danseuse" (female dancer, male is "danseur") but that can't be right. A female wouldn't wear this type of outfit. The kocek dancers were all male. Wanker (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Some of these we already have: --Etenne 17:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Government ccontact

Do you receive hate mail? Get contacted by any type of government body? Not just law enforcement.

I'm concerned about security. I guess there's at least one sheriff deputy among the users?

You have let an identity detail slip. Is there a way I can tell you other than posting it here (which I'm not going to do)..Wanker (talk) 19:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Do you receive hate mail? NO, I never get hate mail. Get contacted by any type of government body? Not just law enforcement No, I have never been contacted by any agency of any government or any agency of law enforcement.--Etenne 19:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Being offline

Is there anyplace I can read what happened? Wanker (talk) 07:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean... you mean about the outage?--Etenne 18:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes I mean about theoutage. Wanker (talk) 20:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much for putting up zethos

Sure missed boywiki while it was gone! Wanker (talk) 20:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Can we have a page about BoyChat's current status?

E.g. how to get to it? Lysander (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I updated the BoyChat page now with two ways to get to it. hikari-again (talk) 1:23:45 AM Monday, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
I was told what was going on today and really the problem could be a result of many different issues... my guess is that there is a cable loose. However as this is Free Spirits, first we have to identify the person with the tech. skills to plug in a cable and the person with the authority to tell him to go plug it back in. This should go relatively quickly. I only anticipate that it will take a dozen or so meetings.--Etenne 02:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Is there an article about boys' hitting on men?

I know there's Lysander (talk) 05:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Dost thou?

Just asking.


Not understanding what you are asking --Etenne 13:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
J'ai essaye de t'ecrire. Tu sais ou me trouver. Haiduc (talk) 14:06, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Got any info concerning feminist involvement in the 1977 federal child porn legislation?

Nancy Whittier claims, "All congressional hearings that addressed pornography between 1977 and 1983 did so through the lens of child abuse". She also says, "between 1982-1988, feminists and conservatives were both highly mobilized on the issue and gained extensive congressional attention, federal action, and discursive change. Pornography sparked widespread response from the federal government in the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography, numerous congressional subcommittee hearings, and expanded enforcement divisions within several federal agencies. During this period, feminist frames emphasizing harms to women gained ground and legal obscenity enforcement grew." Lysander (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

How do I leave Boywiki?

I am sorry, but I would like to leave Boywiki. I oppose what it teaches. To me, the harm Adult/child sexual relationships do to children is a good reason to oppose this kind of activity. I am very sorry. Please don't be upset with me. How do I leave Boywiki? I wish the best for you all. Lister34 (talk) 00:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I assume that you could just stop posting and I am not sure BoyWiki "teaches" anything and is simply a record or archive.--Etenne 10:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
O.K. Just one more question. Is Boywiki legal in Canada? Lister34 (talk) 19:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I am not an expert on Canadian law and can't give legal advice. Can you be arrested for having a dissenting or unpopular opinion in Canada? Ex: In Russia and other European countries, you can't support gay rights or anything that promotes homosexuality in their opinion. Socrates was convicted of "both corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens and of impiety (asebeia, "not believing in the gods of the state"),and as a punishment sentenced to death" for questioning the established belief system. He subsequently drank a mixture containing poison hemlock rather than go into exile. I suppose it depends on what risks a person is willing to take. --Etenne 23:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Why leave, rather than to try make the appropriate edits to ensure BoyWiki does not appear to be advocating either stance? You have the ability to make edits to content so that it does not encourage or "approve" of sexual contact with children, yet choose not to? BoyWiki is volunteer-run. What articles suggest that adult-child sexual relations are positive? FalseAlias (talk) 00:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Making Boywiki more nuteral

Hi, Etenne, I am still planning on leaving Boywiki, but I was talking to FalseAlias and I suggested ways to make Boywiki more neutral. I said, "It would be good to include the opinions of different groups relating to pedophilia: (Virtuous pedophiles supporting and Anti-Contact MAPS), groups I strongly support," and explain their point-of-view on Boywiki. What do you think? Also, is holding the view that adult-child sex as o.k. or any form of Pedophile Advocacy legal in Canada? Lister34 (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with that other then the use of the word Pro-contact which is a derogatory term. I am not pro-contact, I am pro-love.You can replace that word with others who hold various differing opinions. Again, I am not a legal expert and can not give advice on Canadian law. Plus, it is a very bad idea to take legal advice over the internet. If you have questions, contact a competent legal professional. --Etenne 11:37, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
O.K. Thank you very much. I won't use the terms Pro-contact and Anti-contact in editing articles. Unfortunately, I don't feel comfortable editing or having an account on Boywiki. Please don't take this personally. I am sorry, but I feel that I should part ways with Boywiki. Thank you for helping me. Lister34 (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey, still around?

Hey Etenne, are you still around? I'd like to add a picture to the [MAPs irl] article I created here, and I don't have permission to upload files.

Hikari-again (talk) 05:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Echoing hikari's question: you still around? FalseAlias (talk) 22:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Bump. FalseAlias (talk) 20:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Kind of, sort of..... I check in everyday but I haven't been doing that much.

Message for Dragonlover

Hey Etenne, hope you're doing alright. Dragonlover's having trouble logging into his BoyWiki account and can't reset his password as he's not receiving a reset email. Would you know how to help him? Thanks, Hikari hikari-again (talk) 22:45, 27 Dec 2019 (UTC)

Status of BoyChat, BoyLinks, and FreeSpirits sites

Hi Etenne, and hopefully others.

I've observed that BoyChat, BoyLinks, and the main FreeSpirits site, are all currently non-functional. Could we know what's going on with these sites? Should we be concerned?

Thanks. ~FA, and presumably other concerned persons. FalseAlias (talk) 04:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Request to move the pages of a category

Welcome back to BoyWiki, Etenne. I'm Dandelion. I hope you are in good health.

I made this same request to FalseAlias a couple of weeks ago, but he seems to be unavailable at the moment, and I consider that, in his absence, you are the right person to ask for this big favor.

Last month I changed the name of the category "Boylove Sourcebook" to "Boylove Documentary Sourcebook":

For the sake of consistency, I would be very grateful if you could rename the pages it contains, replacing the acronym between parentheses at the beginning of their titles with the new name of the category, that is, from "(BLSB)" to "(Boylove Documentary Sourcebook)", as in this page:

I'm aware that the pages in the category are numerous, so even if you could only rename a few of them every so often, at least until FalseAlias comes back, I would really appreciate it.

Have a nice day, and sorry for the trouble. Dandelion (talk) 13:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I will try to help out but my time is also limited and I am trying to get the news and main page updated. On that note, also is there some pages that you think are exp. good for me to add to New or improved articles on the main page? --Etenne
Thank you very much for your response.
In answer to your question, I consider that the article on boylove would be a nice introduction to newcomers:
Regarding the pages in the "Boylove Documentary Sourcebook" category, I think any of the following could be a nice addition:
I hope you find these recommendations useful. Best wishes. Dandelion (talk) 04:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)